Little Girls in Pretty Boxes - Page 4

PeaceLoveGymnastic · 01-24-2008, 06:40 PM

This movie made me SO MAD!!!!!!!! GRRRRRR!!!!!! it makes gymnastics seem immpossible and crazy (which it is..) but really, it was a little to extreme. i mean, really, how many kids actually take pane pills every night and loose that much weight? its awful that now people who see that movie will think all gymnastics is like that.

ABecker755 · 01-25-2008, 07:00 AM

Ruled out her being a future elite already?

Don't worry TOO much about money, it could be a lot but that is a long ways off. One of my friends is the mom of an elite and her "out of pocket" is a lot less than the 11k figure mentioned in this thread and I don't know ANYONE who got close to the 30 grand!

-AB

ABecker755 · 01-25-2008, 07:03 AM


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Originally Posted by PeaceLoveGymnastic This movie made me SO MAD!!!!!!!! GRRRRRR!!!!!! it makes gymnastics seem immpossible and crazy (which it is..) but really, it was a little to extreme. i mean, really, how many kids actually take pane pills every night and loose that much weight? its awful that now people who see that movie will think all gymnastics is like that.

"Gym-bashing" movies bother me too! Are there bad/abusive coaches out of the tens of thousands of gym coaches? Yes.

Do 99% of coaches love their gymnasts almost like their own children and put their health and safety first? Yes, but that doesn't make for an interesting documentary film!

Are there other sports that have some abusive coaches? Yes! (Amateur wrestling comes to mind, there are some horrible methods used to "make weight" for competitions). Yet strangely, no movies about those either, that I have found!

Why just pick on gym?

-AB

gymnomore · 10:48 AM

When I saw that movie many years ago, I never would have thought that any of this was true. I too, felt like all gymnastics coaches were loving, caring people, and yes, most of them are. Of course, the movie is exagerated, but the verbal and physical abuse of young gymnasts is an issue and it's out there more than we like to believe. I've been around for a while and I've seen young ten year old gymnasts berated and humilated, and I've seen girls made to feel inadequate because of their weight. I've heard enough negative comments made toward children to write a book. Worst of all, I've seen several gymnasts being forced to work through injuries. As parents, we want the best coaching for our kids and we sometimes ignore the red flags. I myself have given my dd way too many painkillers just to get through practices. Now I look back and I can't believe I let it get to that point. So, even though the movie is a bit over the top, it brings up some very real issues that parents need to watch out for. Yes, the sport is expensive, even at the JO level, and we don't even realize it until we get sucked in. Yes, it consumes a child's life as well as changes the lifestyle of the whole family. Hopefully those of you reading this have loving and caring coaches for your children. We do now, thank goodness. And, I'm absolutely sure that coaches on this site are wonderful and are doing it with the very best of intentions. But, there are some coaches out there that bring out the media frenzy on mistreated gymnasts. Read the book- it's a good read. I've read it several times and get a little more out of it each time. It certainly brings an awareness to what elite level gymnasts sacrifice to gain success in this sport. It also gives a take on how far the USAG has come in keeping young girls healthier and safer than they once were.

gracefulone · 01:23 PM

The USAG has gone very far since the book was published, and that fact was alluded to at the end of the book. It's a fascinating read and doesn't just pick on gym; ice skating is a huge part of it too.

I also agree that many things could be said about wrestling. There was an episode on it on Degrasssi:The Next Generation (pretty sure it was that incarnation of Degrassi). I know some wrestlers at my hs and they train super hard, often not eating hardly anything "in season". That's dangerous.

cccam · 01-25-2008, 01:42 PM


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Originally Posted by Aussie_coach It has been on TV here many times and I have it on DVD also. I really don't think it is an exageration of the way elite girls train. Our elite girls have a very similar situation. At that age (she is 14) they train 35-40 hours week. They do 3-4 hours in the morning then head to school for a few hours and do a few subjects and then in the afternoon train another 3-4 hours every day. Our elites are given regular skin fold tests to check their body fat and told what they should and should not be eating. At any given time the majority of them carry some sort of injury be it minor or major. They are yelled at if they are too scared to perform skills in order to motivate them to try. If they do not learn skills fast enough, if they grow too tall, if they don't show enough comittment, if they turn out not to be strong enough they are thrown out of the program. They may return to regular gyms and continue to train and compete at a lower level but most walk away from the sport and never return. They must learn certain skills by a certain age or they are thrown out. But, having said that very few feel they are mistreated. Most desperatly love what they do and do put up with pain and fat tests and pressure because they want this more than anything else in the world. Just to make it to this level means you have to have incredible desire and drive. These girls take it in their stride.

to tell you the truth, i love gymnastics so much i probably would put up with all of that, but i don't like it when people discrimminate by height in the gymnastics world. everyone never shuts up about the fact that im tall. thats why they won't let me be on the team at my gym. but thats okay, because if they're going to do that just because im tall, then i don't want to be on their team. other than that i have to say, i like this movie very much, besides the fact that it is very "made-for-TV-movie-ish"

gymgymgymnast08 · 01-25-2008, 01:46 PM


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Originally Posted by cccam to tell you the truth, i love gymnastics so much i probably would put up with all of that, but i don't like it when people discrimminate by height in the gymnastics world. everyone never shuts up about the fact that im tall. thats why they won't let me be on the team at my gym. but thats okay, because if they're going to do that just because im tall, then i don't want to be on their team. other than that i have to say, i like this movie very much, besides the fact that it is very "made-for-TV-movie-ish"

they won't let you be on the team because you are tall? Go to another gym! They can't do that! Some of the best gymnasts are tall!

gracefulone · 01-25-2008, 02:59 PM

How tall are you anyway?

Aussie_coach · 01-25-2008, 06:22 PM

I am a little shocked that they would not let you be on the team due to being too tall. Our elite centre's do not accept children who are too tall and they do not accept children whose parents are too tall for fear the children will grow too tall. But these centre's are designed for training gymnasts to one day represent the country at international competitions (not many tall elites, people though Svetlana Khorkina was tall but she is only of average height 5"4').

But team gymnastics and gymnastics competitions should be for everyone who is willing to put in the hard work. It should be based on your skills and not your height. The aim of team gymnastics is not to make you the best in the country but to make you the best you can be. I would look for another gym.

CoachL · 01-26-2008, 12:41 AM

not too be jerk...but maybe thats what Australia hasn't done very well internationally in the past....too picky? I had some Australian Juniors in my rotation a few years ago at the Maccabe Games and I wasn't impressed at all.


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nd they do not accept children whose parents are too tall for fear the children will grow too tall

that's one of the silliest things I have ever read in my entire life.