Start Values

[hunde2]

What is the start value for Level 8 beam when competing a backwalkover backhandspring instead of bhs bhs.Is their another skill to make up for the lost points?

[coachamyamerican]

not sure about the start value but isn't it a stated requirement that there are 2 elements with flight? (thought that was the major difference in lv 7 and level 8)

[gymdog]

The L8 beam "flight" "series" "acro" whatever you want to call it, is two "moving" skills (also passing through vertical), at least one with flight. Under the current definition, a back walkover directly connected to a back handspring fulfills the requirement and therefore will not lower the SV.

The L7 requirement for a long time was two directly connected non-flight elements, but the rules have been changed to amend this restriction and now any two connected skills (as long as they are A or B value) are acceptable. A handstand connected to BWO or BHS is okay in L7 but it is my understanding in L8 it must be a "moving" skill, therefore a HS BHS will not fulfill that requirement.

Each requirement is worth .5. There is no way to make up a requirement.

Although since BHS BHS is rather common in L8 now, depending on the other elements in the routine they might take .1 or .2 for not up the level.

[hunde2]

Thank you so much gymdog.At the mock meet she did not connect backwalkover bwo and tried to compensate by doing handstand backwalkover.She had a very low score and was told to add another jump in her routine to fullfill(I can't remember if it was a a or b skill) her requirements if she does the handstand bwo.Now she does a switchleap and a wolfjump in case she does not connect bwo bwo and has to compensate.She is competing in her 2nd year of Level 7 and is very close to Level 8.Thanks again.

[CoachL]

I had a level 8 a few years ago that had difficulty with the bhs bhs combination and bw - bhs. We added a front handspring in her routing to take the 2 flight.

[gymdog]

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Originally Posted by hunde2 Thank you so much gymdog.At the mock meet she did not connect backwalkover bwo and tried to compensate by doing handstand backwalkover.She had a very low score and was told to add another jump in her routine to fullfill(I can't remember if it was a a or b skill) her requirements if she does the handstand bwo.Now she does a switchleap and a wolfjump in case she does not connect bwo bwo and has to compensate.She is competing in her 2nd year of Level 7 and is very close to Level 8.Thanks again.

Oh okay. I should have clarified. Each level has value part requirements and "special requirements." The level-specific acro series requirement is a special requirement. All special requirements must be met with acceptable skills or series of skills in order to achieve a 10.0 SV (i.e. nothing can be made up). The value requirements specify the overall difficulty of the routine. These specify 7-8 skills (depending on level). It's pretty straightforward. Level 8 needs 4 As and 4 Bs. Level 7, 5 As and 2 Bs. Level 9, 3 As, 4 Bs, 1 C, and L10, 3 As, 3 Bs, 2 Cs. These are minimum. If, for example, you did 5 Bs and 3 As in Level 8, this would be acceptable as you a) completed the minimum 8 skills and b) had 4 B (the highest amount required) skills. In level 9, you could do 3 Cs, 3 Bs, and 2 As, and meet the requirements.

However the value part requirements are worth less than the special requirements. Missing an "A" skill is a .1 deduction, and missing a "B" skill is a .3 deduction. Both handstand and back walkover are "A" skills, so a HS BWO and BWO BWO connection have the same value of A+A. This is, however, assuming that the HS was held at vertical for a minimum of 2 seconds, in order to receive A value credit. If this was not achieved, then it would not be eligible for credit for the series either. So basically if they didn't give it an A (and she was therefore missing an A) then they also didn't her the special requirement which is a .5 deduction. I hope that makes sense but I'd have to see the routine to say what the likely scenario is for sure.