College scholarship discussion MOVED from 'Should DD quit due to lack of progression'

[bribri514]

When dd was in third grade she was obviously getting too stressed out with her schedule. Our schools here require a ridiculous amount of homework for elementary school and middle school (up to 2 or 3 hours a night) Our High school is more reasonable, thankfully (my older daughter only does about one hour a night). We realized with the increase of hours at the gym that dd needed to quit gymnastics or we needed to home-school. Our school district here offers a home-school campus that we work with so we actually meet regularly with a teacher there, have labs on site, have classes twice a week and test there so it is actually a great alternative. Dd's test scores have actually improved greatly so it has been a good thing for her. I am also a CA credentialed teacher so I would be qualified to teach regardless of if we enrolled in an "official" school or not.

Homeschooling is not always a sacrifice for quality education. Sometimes it provides a more enriched and higher quality education. Just my two cents.

Oh don't worry I totally agree with you! (My mom is a public school teacher and admin so she's pro-public school for me and my siblings lol but still!) But I def. think homeschooling can be valuable. I just meant generally about a lot of people who do pull their kids out of school for gym. It's not about public school being better it's just the idea that some people value gymnastics more than education and I don't agree with that. Hopefully that makes sense! It's def not saying public school is > than homeschooling!

[NGL780309]

Just had to add something that is a bit misleading in your post Bri. Correct me if I'm misunderstanding what you are trying to say. If you do have a full scholarship to a D1 school and you are injured badly enough that you are unable to compete ever again, it is unlikely you will lose your scholarship. They will be put on a medical scholarship in most cases. Girls will lose their scholarship for not performing up to par, but that is usually after many issues with fitness, attitude etc.

I just didn't want people to have the impression that if a gymnast does everything they are required to do and their performances are great and they have a fluke injury that they will be kicked off the team and sent packing. You will see many girls each year, unfortunately, put on medical.

[bribri514]

Just had to add something that is a bit misleading in your post Bri. Correct me if I'm misunderstanding what you are trying to say. If you do have a full scholarship to a D1 school and you are injured badly enough that you are unable to compete ever again, it is unlikely you will lose your scholarship. They will be put on a medical scholarship in most cases. Girls will lose their scholarship for not performing up to par, but that is usually after many issues with fitness, attitude etc.

I just didn't want people to have the impression that if a gymnast does everything they are required to do and their performances are great and they have a fluke injury that they will be kicked off the team and sent packing. You will see many girls each year, unfortunately, put on medical.

You're def. right about the many girls who are medical redshirts but those are temporary injuries generally. Redshirts are also used sometimes on great freshmen so they can compete for four years when they're older. Not so much the case for gymnastics but def. other sports! If you can't ever compete again after your freshman year because of a serious injury you'll generally not be able to stay on athletic scholarship through graduation unless you're amazing and got a multi year scholarship. In some specific cases. Sorry my post was about only one type of DI scholarship and those details on the specifics of that scholarship. Most I'm aware of have a condition that your scholarship is based on your performance. Some have exceptions for injury but unfortunately some don't. Some you'll lose if your grades go down, but if you have bad grades you cannot compete at all it's an NCAA rule. Other scholarships are 1 year and renewable based on performance and grades (that's a nervous time on the team when renewals come up! eek!). Some are 4 year and there's even some 5 year scholarships floating around that incorporate redshirting. They're still considered "full" scholarships because they cover your room/board, tuition and books for the time you're eligible under it. Hope that helps clarify that! NCAA scholarships are soooooo complicated. It's definitely not just being recruited and getting a scholarship unfortunately. I was involved in the process and there's still things I'm clueless on!!

[dunno]

let me clarify this if you will:

1. all athletes on athletic scholarship have insurance policies attached to their bodies, so to speak. like the pianist that has their hands insured. so in the event that there is a career ending injury, and the team Doc does not certify that athlete fit, they roll that athlete over to what is called a "medical". the insurance policy picks up the remainder of their scholarship which frees up the athletic scolarship for another athlete at another time.

2. drugs, sex (pregnancy) and alcohol can cause an athlete to lose their scholarship. it is the "morals" clause written in to the scholarship contract.

3. if the athlete flunks out...well...they flunk out. no brainer there...no pun intended.

4. yes, attitude could be a contributing cause to the loss of a scholarship. quite honestly, i only hear of these about once a year. maybe 1 or 2 athletes. it's not as pervasive a problem as much as the other 3 although the above 3 usually are the underlying problems which lead to the bad attitude which cause the loss of the scholarship.

[LizzieLac]

I have to say that this one of the most interesting and informative threads I have read here!! I have wondered quite a bit about college gymnastics - getting on a team vs. scholarships, and DI vs DII or DIII.

So, thanks!!

[bookworm]

let me clarify this if you will:

1. all athletes on athletic scholarship have insurance policies attached to their bodies, so to speak. like the pianist that has their hands insured. so in the event that there is a career ending injury, and the team Doc does not certify that athlete fit, they roll that athlete over to what is called a "medical". the insurance policy picks up the remainder of their scholarship which frees up the athletic scolarship for another athlete at another time.

2. drugs, sex (pregnancy) and alcohol can cause an athlete to lose their scholarship. it is the "morals" clause written in to the scholarship contract.

3. if the athlete flunks out...well...they flunk out. no brainer there...no pun intended.

4. yes, attitude could be a contributing cause to the loss of a scholarship. quite honestly, i only hear of these about once a year. maybe 1 or 2 athletes. it's not as pervasive a problem as much as the other 3 although the above 3 usually are the underlying problems which lead to the bad attitude which cause the loss of the scholarship.

Dunno just to clarify here...according to my daughter's (soon to be) college coach pregnancy is NOT a reason for someone to lose their scholarship...and yes, i was surprised by that answer...she said because the FOB (father of the baby) is often a fellow student , sometimes on scholarship as well , and he will not be kicked off his team or out of school so the female is not penalized in that way either ..according to her , they get the year they have the baby and the year after to return to the team, all the while remaining on scholarship ...not ideal she admits and they try to prevent this from happening but that is what she says happens...there are exceptions and i think I remember hearing about a situation at Brigham Young but other than that i don't know

[bogwoppit]

Holy off topic Batman! Bri I blame you for starting it!!


Very interesting reading though. You, Bri, might consider splitting it so the OP's discussion doesn't get lost in the NCAA info.

[NGL780309]

You're def. right about the many girls who are medical redshirts but those are temporary injuries generally. Redshirts are also used sometimes on great freshmen so they can compete for four years when they're older. Not so much the case for gymnastics but def. other sports! If you can't ever compete again after your freshman year because of a serious injury you'll generally not be able to stay on athletic scholarship through graduation unless you're amazing and got a multi year scholarship. In some specific cases. Sorry my post was about only one type of DI scholarship and those details on the specifics of that scholarship. Most I'm aware of have a condition that your scholarship is based on your performance. Some have exceptions for injury but unfortunately some don't. Some you'll lose if your grades go down, but if you have bad grades you cannot compete at all it's an NCAA rule. Other scholarships are 1 year and renewable based on performance and grades (that's a nervous time on the team when renewals come up! eek!). Some are 4 year and there's even some 5 year scholarships floating around that incorporate redshirting. They're still considered "full" scholarships because they cover your room/board, tuition and books for the time you're eligible under it. Hope that helps clarify that! NCAA scholarships are soooooo complicated. It's definitely not just being recruited and getting a scholarship unfortunately. I was involved in the process and there's still things I'm clueless on!!

I'm not talking about a red-shirt. I'm talking about being placed on a medical because you can no longer do gymnastics. For example, Brittany Noble from UF was a freshman last year on a full scholarship. She had a serious enough back injury that she is completely finished with gymnastics. She barely competed for the Gators at all. She gets to stay and UF and it's covered just as if she were competing for them.

[NGL780309]

let me clarify this if you will:

1. all athletes on athletic scholarship have insurance policies attached to their bodies, so to speak. like the pianist that has their hands insured. so in the event that there is a career ending injury, and the team Doc does not certify that athlete fit, they roll that athlete over to what is called a "medical". the insurance policy picks up the remainder of their scholarship which frees up the athletic scolarship for another athlete at another time.

2. drugs, sex (pregnancy) and alcohol can cause an athlete to lose their scholarship. it is the "morals" clause written in to the scholarship contract.

3. if the athlete flunks out...well...they flunk out. no brainer there...no pun intended.

4. yes, attitude could be a contributing cause to the loss of a scholarship. quite honestly, i only hear of these about once a year. maybe 1 or 2 athletes. it's not as pervasive a problem as much as the other 3 although the above 3 usually are the underlying problems which lead to the bad attitude which cause the loss of the scholarship.

Didn't read this before I posted mine. I'm talking about #1. Thanks for verifying what I was talking about. It would be CRAZY if girls lost their scholarship for being injured. I didn't want uninformed parents to think that girls would lose their scholarship if they had a serious injury.

[MarR99]

MarR99

Since your DD's gym will not compete current L6 gymnasts as new L7's this January, you have a year with no meet entry fees, coach assessments, new competition leo/warmups, related travel costs, etc for an entire year. Only tuition. That should ease part of your concerns and hopefully allow more time to come to a decision while under less pressure.

Remember that your DD may not really be able to completely and fully communicate with you all of the benefits she experiences through and because of gymnastics.

Trust her coaches when they let you know that she is progressing!

I do understand the pressure is not financial alone, but also a matter of time and energy.

I know that we have a year off from meet fees, but they collect some of the meet fees (it was $675 this year) for the optional team before the end of the year (in November for the January meets.) Also, dd will need new warm ups and a new competition leo. Our gym has really nice ones at a cost of $475 for both. They order them in the Fall for the next year. Also, our gym charges $500 for floor choreography. They will ask for that in the Summer. So, without even competing we will have to shell out $1700 before the end of next year for these things. That is not even adding the $350 a month (With an additional $200 per month in the Summer for extra hours) and then the $200 for gas driving to and from gym each month for a grand total of about $8700 without a single meet. Maybe my gym is more expensive than others!? Our monthly fees seem pretty average though.