The Liukin or The Nistor

[GymnBot]

So it looks like the same skill to me. Who will get credit for it?Here’s Nastia’s version from the 2008 Pacific Rim Championships (around 1:26), which, by the way, was one of the best Beam routines I have seen in a very long time.* Beautiful.And check out Nistor’s version of it at the 2008 [...]

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[JBS]

Great post by "Perfect 10". Awesome trick!

Who do you think it will get named after?

[I-Heart-Beam]

Well Nistor competed it well before Nastia so she should get it but is Nastia's not meant to be done with straight legs and Steliana's with bent?

[mtbmom]

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Originally Posted by I-Heart-Beam Well Nistor competed it well before Nastia so she should get it but is Nastia's not meant to be done with straight legs and Steliana's with bent?

I agree Nistor looked tucked.

How do they get the skill named for them? Do they have to submit? I know Yurchenko vaults were first performed by a male gymnast (don't know his name), buy Yurchenko made it famous and got the name.

[lannamavity]

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Originally Posted by mtbmom I agree Nistor looked tucked. How do they get the skill named for them? Do they have to submit? I know Yurchenko vaults were first performed by a male gymnast (don't know his name), buy Yurchenko made it famous and got the name.

Huh? I'd be surprised if Yurtchenko was first woman to ever do it, but where did you get the info about a guy doing it first? They were illegal for men at that time.

The skill must be submitted and performed at a World Championship or Olympic competition...though the rules about that are kind of sketchy.

[blantonnick]

All you have to do is submit the skil to the FIG for review...i do not think you have to compete the skill at worlds or olympic stages, as Tamayo has a floor skill named after him in the new 2009 code for men and hasnt done either the olympics or worlds...

[mtbmom]

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Originally Posted by lannamavity Huh? I'd be surprised if Yurtchenko was first woman to ever do it, but where did you get the info about a guy doing it first? They were illegal for men at that time.

I don't remember where I read it, but I read that Ratsorovsky(sp?) had another male gymnast performing it prior to Natalia. Searching for the info, though I found this...

http://www.contactor.se/~dast/gymn/a...1-12/0016.html

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We used to refer to the Yurchenko vault as the O'Shaw after a NCAA gymnast whose name, I believe, was Shaw. I coached a girl gymnast (Bev Beres) who performed this vault at the Rocky Mountain Invitational in Great Falls, Montana several years before Yurchenko got credit in 1982 and I know it was done in various places around the world for years before that. If you know Hal Halverson, he'll be able to tell you a good story about that occasion. It took the FIG many years to permit these vaults (women 1982; men 1989).

So, I suppose that means you don't have to be the first, but you have to submit it and get approved.

[lannamavity]

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Originally Posted by blantonnick All you have to do is submit the skil to the FIG for review...i do not think you have to compete the skill at worlds or olympic stages, as Tamayo has a floor skill named after him in the new 2009 code for men and hasnt done either the olympics or worlds...

I'm not sure how it works for MAG (the rules change so often, I don't bother to try to understand), but the only place FIG will recognize and name skills for women are at Worlds or Olympics...which sort of stinks, because many skills are named years after they have been competed in random competitions, by random athletes. There must be an endless list of gymnasts who were "the first", whose names are lost forever. Eh...they know that they were the first.

Onodis were competed on beam years before Onodi (Mostepanova, for example). In fact, the Soviets in the 80s did just about every skill possible, and those same skills are being named now only because of the competition format required for recognition of new skills.

[MartinaE]

Well, to me it feels right if Nistor gets credit for the skill. She was the first to bring it up and imo it does not matter if it is tucked or not. I mean it`s still the same skill (like tucked and piked Tsukahara), so it would be fair to name it after Nistor.

[cccam]

Well, to me it feels right if Nistor gets credit for the skill. She was the first to bring it up and imo it does not matter if it is tucked or not. I mean it`s still the same skill (like tucked and piked Tsukahara), so it would be fair to name it after Nistor.

yeah that's true MartinaE but if i know FIG like i think i do, they will give it to nastia liukin