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Old 11-09-2007, 09:06 PM
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thanks everyone! i know she will be so thrilled to be in the gym so many hours. i won't, because i will miss her. we are never away from each other that much. (we homeschool) and i can't be there the whole time because by then, i will be chasing a crazy 2 year old. i think we will stay at first, since she might want us to, then go from there. i can't imagine my little one wanting to hang out there for 3 hours or whatever a pop. she already has a hard time with 1 1/2 hour practices. LOL.

i trust her coach. i am sure she knows what kind of kid my DD is and i know they don't just move kids if they aren't ready because there are 6 and 7 yos in her developmental class. she would definitely know whether she is ready better than i would as she is a totally different kid when at gymnastics. i wish she would try HALF as hard at her school work as she does learning gymnastic skills. LOL.
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Old 11-10-2007, 05:37 AM
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Before you commit your daughter at such a young age to the training hours associated with team membership, you might reflect on what you and she can hope to gain from that arrangement. We parents are undoubtedly pleased whenever someone suggests that our kids have some--any--sort of talent, but what benefit do you expect your child to derive from devoting to gymnastics those long hours that could otherwise be devoted to, say, playing, reading, music, her studies, or developing any of her other talents that might be undiscovered at age five?

When you discuss this subject with parents at your gym or on a gymnastics board like this, it’s rather like asking members of a church (or a cult!) that you've just joined if you've made the right decision: few people excepting the true believers are available to join the conversation. When someone like gymbratsmom offers her heartfelt endorsement that she'd “do it all over again", you may wonder if the parents of all those girls who leave the sport within a few years would tell you the same thing--but they're not here to respond to your question. (USA Gymnastics membership figures suggest that about half of the girls who join teams quit before Level 6.)

I can offer a slightly contrarian view. From my perspective, here are a few points that support the idea of a girl joining a gymnastics team at a young age:

Parental support and the child's enthusiasm may be far and away the most important ingredients in this mix. Anders Ericsson, the leading psychologist in the field of expert performance, has repeatedly indicated that what you and I (and your daughter’s coaches) might call "talent" is vastly overrated: It's all about the kid loving what she's doing to the extent that she'll put in the necessary effort despite the hardship, along with her parents willingness to provide the necessary emotional and financial support.

Part of that mix could be seeing your daughter accomplish at a young age what older girls may just be learning. It wouldn’t really matter if, in fact, all the girls take roughly the same number of years to reach a given skill level regardless of the age at which they begin training (or if they will all end up in the same place) if that perceived age advantage provided enough of an emotional boost to keep you and your daughter happy in the sport.

Otherwise, it might be helpful to start her off early if you think that your family is willing to make the sacrifices that would allow your daughter to become an elite athlete. Similarly, if you hope that your daughter will compete for a college scholarship in gymnastics, it might be helpful to have her reach a high skill level by her sophomore year in high school.

However, here are a few points that argue against committing to relatively long training hours at a young age:

In gymnastics, unlike in the well-studied areas of expert performance such as music or chess, the long years of dedicated practice that are required to develop expertise can be ended by capricious injury. For example, if your daughter devotes 12 to 25 hours each week to the piano throughout her childhood she'll likely still be playing beautifully 70 years from now, but if she chooses to devote all those hours to gymnastics she'll still probably quit the sport before she finishes high school and it’s a good bet that she’ll never do a back tuck on a balance beam once she leaves college—and injury could drive her from the sport years earlier. (There are about nine Level 5 girls for each Level 10 athlete; perhaps injury has a lot to do with that.)

While it seems that the combination of her apparent love for the sport and your willingness to support her efforts argues for her success, it's nonetheless obvious that she isn't yet even dimly aware of myriad other activities that she might love and that you might just as enthusiastically support. (At your daughter's age, my kid couldn't decide between becoming a veterinarian or a paleontologist; it turns out there may be other fields that are just as interesting, and almost all of them are still unknown to her.)

According to http://www.collegegymnast.com/ about 3% of high school-age gymnasts go on to compete in college; perhaps fencing (79% of high school fencers compete in college) might be a better bet if a scholarship should become a goal.

I didn't see any real advantage to moving my child to a team at a young age. I happened to choose to keep my daughter in a cheerily low-pressure pre-team class for a couple of years beyond when she might have competed. There may be many ways that parents can help their little gymnasts to find their balance; I try to help mine by limiting her training time to fewer hours than most of the girls at her level devote to practice, both by choosing a gym with a relaxed and flexible schedule and by having her skip some of the practices that are available to her there. (She uses most of those saved hours for extra work to develop the math and writing skills that she'll need to succeed as an adult.) We have no interest in an elite track, and little interest in a gymnastics scholarship; I doubt, anyway, that the opportunity to compete as a Level 10 for six years instead of four or five years before she graduates from high school would matter much. We're not trying to produce a gymnast; we just want her to become a healthy and happy adult, and so far it seems that keeping her contentedly involved in the sport at a level that we hope will reduce the probability of burnout and injury is a reasonable part of our effort to reach that goal. It would be different if we prioritized gymnastics, but--although she loves gymnastics just as much as your daughter loves it--the sport is just part of my daughter's life, and we realize that in the long term it will be far from the most important part. This works for me, but your child is undoubtedly different than my child, and YMMV.
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Old 11-10-2007, 06:29 AM
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RBW, that is an epistle that all gym parents should read. Perhaps the MODs could place it in the articles section, the statistics alone are enlightening.
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Old 11-10-2007, 07:07 AM
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I personnally believe 12hrs is an awful lot for a 5 or 6 year old mentally and physically .my dd was 6 1/2 when she started team 2 was 4 hrs wk and I was worried she could not handle it she is team 3 age 7 this season still only 4hrs wk .she still has plenty of time to play with friends ,take horse lessons and girl scouts and just be a kid.I am not looking forward to level 4 which I hope they wait till May to move her up she will be 8 and she can have the summer to get used to it .Good luck with you dd
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Old 11-10-2007, 09:33 AM
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RBW,

thanks for your very informative and well written post. you brought up many of my concerns. it it such a hard decision to be confronted with. many things concern me, but i also know that i am not afraid of pulling her out of something that begins to be a danger for her or finding somewhere else that would be less stressful, etc.

i don't think my daughter will ever be an elite gymnast, don't even want to offer that route. i also don't think that she will do gymnastics until college. she could surprise me, but i have never thought of gymnastics as a way to college scholarships for her. she might do it for a year or 2 and be done or go as far as she wants to and then go from there. who knows?

it is something she loves right now and that she talks about all the time. she practices almost as many hours here at home in her room and on my king size bed as she will on team eventually, except that she doesn't get any help with proper technique and has no bars here. i know that physically it is totally different stress on her body, but she loves gymnastics and i can't convince her to do anything else right now. she has tried many kinds of dance (ballet, tap and hip-hop)and hapkido (korean martial arts). she plays soccer, baseball and tennis with the neighborhood kids and i can't interest her in joining any of those kinds of classes or team.

she asked to take gymnastics after seeing it somewhere and has never looked back. she has a spark there that i don't see in her anywhere else. i think that finding something a child loves to do is important and sometimes they find it young, sometimes they don't. she will be able to "retire" from the sport of gymnastics when she decides she is done and wants to do something else.

i don't worry about gymnastics hindering my daughter's education, time with her family, time with her friends etc, because for us it isn't an issue. we homeschool and she has tons of other things we do and time to do them. we are involved with an awesome homeschool group where we meet everyweek. she is in girlscouts and we do lots of fun things (field trips, etc) during the day. i definitely would not be even considering letting her train so much if we didn't homeschool simply because i couldn't imagine being gone from her so many hours a day.

again, thanks for your post. it definitely should be sticky'd somewhere.
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See I think our gym doesn't believe in overtraining.
Our level 4s are only in the gym 2 nights a week for 2 hours.
My daughter is called a level 4* (an intermin group who didn't qualify to move to 5 but we work our level 5 skills all year) and we go 3 days a week for 2 hours a night.
Our level 5's are required to go 3 nights a week for 2.5 hours but they have an optional 4th day for 2.5 hours.
Level 6's are only required 3 nights a week but I think for 3 hours and they still have the optional 4th day but it is not required.
Level's 7-10 are 4 hours a day 5 days a week and all of that is required.
Our teams do extrememly well even with less time in the gym. They always place in all meets including major national meets.
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Old 11-12-2007, 04:58 AM
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Melmonette, your gym sounds like ours, our level 3/4's so 4.5 hours a week over two nights and our highest level girsl level 7/8 do 11 hours at the most. It seems to be enough hours, our girls win at meets and do gain skills. Our girls also have a month off at xmas and from June 10 to Aug 28 th each summer.

I don't think I could commit to more based on where we live, plus I also love having the summer undisturbed by scheduled activities.
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Old 11-12-2007, 09:21 AM
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wow. i wish our gym was more like that. i could call around, but the only other gym near us is the one we left. i have nothing against that gym at all, loved it there, but the gym floor itself isn't air conditioned (and we live where it is HOT) which makes me question where all the money goes? it is a big, popular gym and i pay now for 3 hours/week what i would have been paying for 2 hours a week there.

also, my DDs very close friend goes there and she is an extremely talented (naturally)and is one year younger that DD. everyone just loves her and my DD was practically invisible. you kind of have to "know" people to move up there. my DD was finally moved up right when we were leaving, but she had been ready for a long time. it really hurt my DD to see her friend be moved before her, to see her get all the attention, etc. i know that there are always probably gym favorites, but this is her really close friend who we see all the time at various things and it was hard for her.

it actually came down to my DD going to the developmental at both places and then choosing where she like it better. she chose where she is now, so i think we are staying for now. i might call around and just ask how many hours average the level 4s practice at some other gyms, to see what it is in our area.

it is so weird that it varies so much from gym to gym. you would think with USAG regulating so much, routines, skills, etc, that they could make some recommendations about hours per level. i know that it always makes a big difference because there are so many ages in any given level. 12 hours for an older child might not seem as much.
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I find it odd that it varies so much too especially at the lower levels such as 4 or 5. See I am lucky in that we have like 5 gyms within 10 minutes of my house that I could switch my daughter too.
We are having issues with having too many girls and not enough coaches at my gym so Emily and one of my other friend's and her friend are probably switching gyms right after the State meet this year. Don't ask but half of it is because I think my daughter should be a level 5 this year and half is because we have 2 of the major coaches are pregnant and one just had a baby and well they do 90% of the work and since they are pregnant and one just had a baby the other coaches get bounced around and well.... lets just say they don't have enough staff for the number of girls they have to coach and don't seem to be actively trying to get more trained qualified team coaches so we are not happy in that respect but at the same time, the girls all are like best friends and I hate breaking that up too.
But that is a totally different topic, ugh....sorry to vent.
I think you should give it a go and see how it goes, I don't think my 5 year old could do it right now though and she just got moved up to our gym's first miniteam and they only go 2 days a week for 1 hour a day any more and I think it would be too much for her.
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Old 11-12-2007, 11:22 AM
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well, i called her old gym and the level 4s practice 10 hours a week. i don't think i would switch back to them because of 2 hours because of the reasons previously stated. if they only practiced 6 hours, then i might consider it, but i do like her current gym a lot.

i need to just chill and wait. it is not until summer that they want to move her anyway. who knows what will happen between now and then.
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