Is TOPS necessary?!?

[gym law mom]

Remember TOPs changes once the girls are over age 9. From 7-9 the testing is all about strength and flexibility. After that it is doing certain advanced skills the way the program dictates. The gym my gymmie started at trains elites and does not do TOPs. The one we're at now, does have TOPs, but only up to age 9. It is extra hours and extra $ plus more wear and tear on those young bodies. We had 2 girls that did make it to the national testing for 9 year olds---1 made the national team and 1 did not have a good test at all although just getting to the national test is a huge accomplishment. The girl that didn't make the national team then switched gyms ended up getting hurt before her 1st L8 meet and then quit completely. I think she was very close to your dd's age. She said that when she was out with the injury, she found she loved not being in the gym for all the practice and had burned out some with TOPs. So, at age 10 she walked away.

Sounds like your dd is already on the fast track---keep her happy and healthy and if she wants to try the elite track, I'll bet she'll be "fresher" than many who did TOPs.

[Ingymmom]

First off, it sounds like your gymmie is doing wonderful and enjoying gymnastics. Testing TOPS or not should never value her love of gymnastics. If she loves it then she is right where she needs to be. I like the idea that you would just encourage her to continue to work hard & continue to give her all Do they train TOPS in your gym, or did they just decide to test a couple of girls kind of last minute?

TOPS is not necessary for a gymnast to reach the elite level, however it can be beneficial. Shawn Johnson was not a TOPS girl and it seems she has done just fine for herself. Ivan Hong's gym (GAGE) also uses their own progression system and does not use TOPS. A strong elite track coach will know the proper progressions to train to that level with or without this specific program if this is what the gymmies goal is.

She turned 10 this year then? 10 & 11 yr old tend to be the most experienced of the bunch at TOPS testing. You mentioned that she was short on a few of her phys ability skills, this could be a big reason why she would not get chosen by her gym... Most 10 & 11 yr olds that train and test for TOPS do very well in the physical abilities portion. 10 presses, 60 second handstand hold, 10 cast handstands, 20 leg lifts, strong oversplits in both legs, quick no leg rope climb, good shoulder flexibility, high vertical jump & fast sprint.

Here is a video of a 10 yr old testing the phys ability portion, this gymnast is exceptional and made it to national testing & was also invited to participate in the A camp:

YouTube - Nica Hults USA Gymnastics TOPs Testing July 15, 2007


After they test phys abilities if they hit a certain goal they may be invited to the national testing (scheduled for Oct.) where they will test phys abilities again after they do the skills portion of TOPS (for a 10 yr old this portion is worth 70%) . The skills are not necessarily the same as a typical L8 would have (some gyms may train them, some not) & these skills vary by age.

Here is the link to the skill portion of the TOPS test with a by age explanation:

http://www.usa-gymnastics.org/Portal...7TOPskills.pdf

Have to run real quick, but hope this info helps.

[Tumblequeensmom]

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Originally Posted by MdGymMom01 Here is that video, "Pursuing the Perfect 10" CNN Parkettes documentary. It had a segment in there about TOPS and this little girl who was competing on a BROKEN ANKLE and the PARENTS AND COACHES HAD NO IDEA!!! Hmmm-pretty scary, huh??? YouTube - Pursuing the Perfect 10 - Parkettes Documentary (Part 1)

THAT's the one... see, I knew someone would know what I was talking about!! Yes, to me that was a scary video! Thanks for putting it back up here!

-Lynn

[LemonLime]

You can watch some of the 10yo skills here:

2008 10 YEAR OLD SKILLS

[txgymmom]

The coach just decided to test a couple of girls. No, they do not specifically train TOPS.

[midwestgymmom]

Very interesting thread. I think your dd is doing so well without TOPS as GLM said. I wonder what the injury and burnout ratio is for the TOPS gymnasts, now that would be interesting to know

[Ingymmom]

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Originally Posted by txgymmom The coach just decided to test a couple of girls. No, they do not specifically train TOPS.

This is where it starts to make it unfair and feelings really get hurt... They should have given warning that TOPS testing would be an option rather then just up and deciding to test only a couple of girls - or perhaps they should have waited until next year. This happened in our gym recently as well, and many parents were very upset to where they were going to open the testing up to anyone that wanted to attend. It ended up that no one attended (for many reasons), but still did not leave warm feelings amongst the team or the coaches. Unfortunately, once it gets brought up, most gymmies always wish that they would have been one of the ones to go... This should be a planned team event - no not everyone may be able to attend, but the gymmies should at least know they are working for a shot at testing - and given time to work on their skills and understand what exactly they are required to have. Personally I think it is unethical for the gym to suddenly allow this to happen. Are the gymmies that are attending both 10 yrs old as well?

As far as burnout, many gyms train their teams with alot of the physical portion of the TOPS training already added into their conditioning. Burnout/quitting occurs with or without "TOPS".

While it is not a necessity, the majority of our elites/international elites have participated at some point in TOPS and/or HOPES to help them reach their goals . But actually anybody that had the skills could test for their elite status - even if they have never competed in the JO program.

[Gym-Nice-tics]

I do TOPS with some of my kids, but we do it for a different reason.

My girls train an extra two hours a week all during regular season during "TOPS" practice. It was open to all team kids of all levels. We did a lot of strength and form work during those extra sessions. I had roughly eight girls that came to most practices that fell in the 7-11 grouping (Several older gymnasts attended often, as well, but cannot test). Those girls were allowed to go to the test and see how they did. Five of them attended the last test and are excited to test tomorrow morning to see if they improve their scores.

In all honesty, my girls are not the best ones there. Some may say they shouldn't be there. They can't do 10 presses, and cast handstands can be tricky for them at times. But they love trying the tests and they just want to see how they improve, how they stack up. I'm sure some people would think I'm just wasting the testers' times with bringing them to the test, but they pay the $40 registration fee just like everyone else and they enjoy what they do.

[Aussie_coach]

Thats great to hear Gym-nice-tics, it sounds like you are training your girls for the right reasons. To improve themsleves as individuals rather than just to win at everything. It also sounds like you are the sort of coach that gives everyone a chance who is willing to put in the hard work and committment even if they arent as natuarlly talented. I do believe that in the end hard work and dedication will play far more of a role than inborn talent. We need more coaches like you around.

[txgymmom]

I wish my daughter's coach was like you! That is exactly the reason she wanted to go; for the experience and to see where she stood among others her age. She is now determined to work at her skills and test next year. She'll turn 11. But she got such a sour taste from the way it was handled, that she said (for the first time in 7 years of doing gym) she didn't know if she wanted to do gym anymore. I told her we will always support her, but I hate for her to give up something she loved. And she truly has a passion. I think she's over it now and ready to work hard.