kips =[

[nasticsISlove 72]

ok so, i am in a prep-optional program,
and i need a kip inorder to move up to a higer level.
however,
i cannot do them the right way,
i always tap the floor and push away from the bar.
my coach says i have the strenght to do one but i just am not "trying hard enough"
when i am giving it all my best.
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how exactly do youh stop tapping and not push away from the bar?

[Geoffrey Taucer]

I hate it when coaches tell kids they aren't trying hard enough instead of giving actual corrections. One of my biggest pet peeves.

Anyway, I'd have to see you do it to be sure, but it sounds to me like the first problem is with your glide swing -- can you do one withoutt apping the ground? Ideally in a glide kip, you should extend at the top of the glide before pulling in for the kip.

As for the kip itself, it's simply a transition from a pike to a hollow while pushing the bar from your toes to your thighs. Don't try to finish in a support; try to finish leaning forwards past the support.

It would help a lot if you could post a video.

[nasticsISlove 72]

in my gym we are not allowed to use video cameras during practices, but ill tell youh how i do one.
i jump into a glide. and i tap the floor then hit hollow. then i shoot my feet to the bar, then i push up and away from the bar.
i hope that helped youh understand how i do one.

[Mac]

Following on from that, assuming a good glide and the ankles being properly brought up near the bar, I've heard one coach explain the kip motion as being just like "pulling on a pair of pants". The imagery of that helped to explain to the girls how the legs had to slide up the bars (without much separation) and how the hips had to come up to the bar. If I recall, the metaphor for transitioning to (and past) support was "revving a motorcycle". This helped the kids understand how they had to move their wrists. It's been a few years and memory fades, so maybe a coach here can better tie those metaphors to the specific motions. Always liked the pants one, though, because it spoke to how the bar had to stay in proximity to the legs and hips and the legs had to slide up the bar. Might bruise the shins at the beginning, but that is quickly learned.

[nasticsISlove 72]

thanks, ill try thinking of that when we train again on them.

[JBS]

Yes...I tell all my kids to bring their ankles to the bar and then "put on a pair of pants". In other words, the bar will slide from the ankles to the hips while your body rotates up to a support position.

Are you tapping your feet because the glide is too hard or is it just a bad habit?

Here are a couple of good links:

http://www.gymnasticsrevolution.com/...e-Bars-Kip.htm

http://www.drillsandskills.com/skills/ubar/A/ubz002

[nasticsISlove 72]

i think it is because i came to this level from a lower level then everyone else and i was never taught how to do a glide or a kip like they did. i have been working on them at practice and all of the advice has helped me. i dont quite have my kip yet but i have got much better.
my problem is still that i push away from the bar instead of pushing down on it.

[Geoffrey Taucer]

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Originally Posted by nasticsISlove 72 i think it is because i came to this level from a lower level then everyone else and i was never taught how to do a glide or a kip like they did. i have been working on them at practice and all of the advice has helped me. i dont quite have my kip yet but i have got much better. my problem is still that i push away from the bar instead of pushing down on it.

One problem I often see with kips that gives the illusion that the the gymnast is pushing away from the bar is gripping the bar too tightly. If you have the bar in a death grip, your wrists are essentially stuck under the bar. This causes the arms to bend, the chest to stop rising, and the bar to come away from the legs, as if you're pushing away. Loosen your grip a little, and you start to peel -- and then use this as an opportunity to regrip and get your hands on top of the bar.

The regrip is something you will probably do automatically once you start peeling, which is why I say you should try loosening your grip a bit.

Again, though, I can't be sure if this is your problem without seeing your kip myself. It may be something else entirely.

[nasticsISlove 72]

now that i do think about, it my wrists don't really move during my kip. so, i'll try doing one with a looser grip.

[SkYe~HiGh~FlIpPer]

I was like that to! but what I'v found helps is to, ~no matter haw dumb this sounds~ don't tap! it develops a bad habit. my coach told me that and at first I thought you've got to be kidding thats the only way I can get up at all but after awhile I got stronger and now I'm so much closer!