Level 8 vault question (yurchenkos)

[ZJsMom]

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Originally Posted by gymdog I was surprised yurchenkos made it down to 8. I don't think it's going to 7 any time soon. And I've seen enough scary yurchenkos to really be okay with that. Tsuk timers would be another story.

I think the proposal was to do a Yurchenko timer to a mat stack as a way to build a better foundation for doing them in Level 8 instead of just having the jump from doing a FHS to being able to flip a Yurchenko.

[Mac]

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Originally Posted by CoachL layout step out was changed to a D?

Does this address it? Never totally certain of the vocabulary.

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Recommendation to raise #8.304 Back salto stretched with step-out and #8305 gainer back salto stretched with step-out from C to D value (new numbers #8.404 and 8.405 respectively), making them eligible to receive +0.1 bonus for difficulty value at Level 10.

http://www.usa-gymnastics.org/women/...tJoTCMay07.pdf

[Mac]

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Originally Posted by ZJsMom I think the proposal was to do a Yurchenko timer to a mat stack as a way to build a better foundation for doing them in Level 8 instead of just having the jump from doing a FHS to being able to flip a Yurchenko.

The same technical committee report I referenced in the post above mentioned this. Here's the explanation:

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Discussion regarding adding a Round-off entry vault timer onto mats stacked as high as the vault table to be a competitive choice. The committee concurred that this was impractical, especially in a competitive environment. They concluded that Round-off entry vault training should occur over years and doing a handspring allows the coaches to be able to spend the time on Yurchenko drills without losing quality of the handspring. A motion was made with no second. No action was taken.

[gracefulone]

This is one thing our gym doesn't have to worry about! We used to have this huge level eight team, and a level nine but now they either got injured or are doing HS gym. There is only one level eight and she is too afraid to do them anyway.

[hammy]

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"Discussion regarding adding a Round-off entry vault timer onto mats stacked as high as the vault table to be a competitive choice. The committee concurred that this was impractical, especially in a competitive environment. They concluded that Round-off entry vault training should occur over years and doing a handspring allows the coaches to be able to spend the time on Yurchenko drills without losing quality of the handspring. A motion was made with no second. No action was taken."

I often find the thinking of committee members to be a little off. For instance, the vault for level 2's is kick to handstand then flatback, but level 3's do a dive foward roll, then level 4s do handstand flatback--why is it that they have the gymnast going from handstand flatback (learning the concept of heal drive and flat body) to a dive roll with the gymnast's behind leading the way, back to a handstand flatback that requires heal drive and flat body?

Personally, i think the yurchanko timer would be a valuable competitive vault for level 7s. However, gymnasts can still work on them during practice and then just compete the handspring. I agree that it's a little ridiculous to expect the gymnasts to go from a front handspring (level 7) to automatically flipping a vault(level 8).

[bogwoppit]

The progression in our Quebec school system makes a lot more sense at the lower levels but adds a lot of work in the gym.

CR3 - handstand flat back using springboard (just like your level 3/4)
CR3 Av - Handspring to flatback over table at 110ccm/125cm (equiv your level5)
CR3 Spec - Handspring or yama****a or handspring half turn. (equiv your level 6)

In our provincial system we begin with
P2- handspring over table at 110/125 (Like your level 4/5)

Yurchenkos are not allowed until P5 or about your level 9/10.

I am not a coach, but I do like our school progressions more than your level 3,4,5,6 choices. Our development, pre team girls, compete a handstand flatback, just on slightly lower mats.

[krazykidzmom]

There are plenty of things to judge with a Yurchenko timer or even a Tusk timer. In the youngest age group of level 8's it seemed whoever could do the vault with flipping it and if their other events were decent, they won. It doesn't make sense to me.

[CoachL]

bah thats so dumb, every single one of my 8's last year did layout stepouts. And all my new 8's have them now.