Lack of squareness in split

[momof5]

My daughter is fairly flexibly and can do both her right and left cheat split. I say cheat because she sits both of them down on the outside hip. So not technically a perfect split. Sometimes the coach corrects her but the next time she does her splits she keeps making the same mistake. I have tried explaining to her what she is doing wrong but she doesn't get it. She thinks its right and doesn't see that it is wrong. Any ideas how to get her to understand what she is doing wrong. She is only 6 and sometimes has a hard time visually seeing the diferences between things that are similier.

[lannamavity]

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Originally Posted by momof5 My daughter is fairly flexibly and can do both her right and left cheat split. I say cheat because she sits both of them down on the outside hip. So not technically a perfect split. Sometimes the coach corrects her but the next time she does her splits she keeps making the same mistake. I have tried explaining to her what she is doing wrong but she doesn't get it. She thinks its right and doesn't see that it is wrong. Any ideas how to get her to understand what she is doing wrong. She is only 6 and sometimes has a hard time visually seeing the diferences between things that are similier.

That "cheat split" is still important. Few kids can get all the way down in a square split, so they rely on turning a hip out to complete extension in a leap/jump.

She should be doing other stretches (hip flexor/hamstring) to increase her "square split".

Maybe focusing more on her torso positioning could help. If she understands that her belly button needs to "look out over her front foot", it could help. Splits between panel mats could square her up as well.

It's going to take time. The bottom line is that a split is not always a fun activity for some athletes...it's like doing taxes or reading an instruction manual...boring.

[xleahcarx]

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Originally Posted by momof5 My daughter is fairly flexibly and can do both her right and left cheat split. I say cheat because she sits both of them down on the outside hip. So not technically a perfect split. Sometimes the coach corrects her but the next time she does her splits she keeps making the same mistake. I have tried explaining to her what she is doing wrong but she doesn't get it. She thinks its right and doesn't see that it is wrong. Any ideas how to get her to understand what she is doing wrong. She is only 6 and sometimes has a hard time visually seeing the diferences between things that are similier.

I have my girls do there splits on a line and make sure everything stays on the line. Then when they are off the line they know what they should look like and think about there position.

[tgc]

When my dd was 5 and 6 she had the same problem with her hips not being square. Her coaches would always say her flexibility needed work and that her splits were not improving because she let her hips turn. The girls always do their splits on a line, but she just did not understand. Sometime after she turned 7 she finally caught on to what the coaches were telling her. She went from all the way down on her cheat split to holding herself up off the ground but with her hips square. I did not realize how far she was away from really having her splits. She is now 8 and very proud that she finally got both of her splits all the way down.

[kristilyn73]

I have another good reason to keep splits square. When you put a split leap or Split jump up on the Balance Beam if you are not square you could either fall.. or not hit 180 in a jump....

[tumbler807]

i had that problem when i was younger. my coach always had us use our hands to pull ourselves straight... meaning... if youre in a right leg split, you would reach your right arm behind you and grab the far side your leg leg. reach your left arm in front of you and grab the far side of your right leg, trying, ultimately, to get your "bellybutton to face forwards"

[pink ranger]

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Originally Posted by lannamavity That "cheat split" is still important. Few kids can get all the way down in a square split, so they rely on turning a hip out to complete extension in a leap/jump. She should be doing other stretches (hip flexor/hamstring) to increase her "square split". Maybe focusing more on her torso positioning could help. If she understands that her belly button needs to "look out over her front foot", it could help. Splits between panel mats could square her up as well. It's going to take time. The bottom line is that a split is not always a fun activity for some athletes...it's like doing taxes or reading an instruction manual...boring.

Thanks for this information, I've been thinking about this as well.

For me, I try to make things that are boring by listening to music, usually mid tempo songs. That helps stretching from becoming dull

[Eveningdew]

She's only 6, I wouldn't fuss much with her. Learning comes in waves and stages as they mature. Hope that helps!

[Valentin]

In our gym/program we start all kids from day 1 in competitive to aim to get to as square hip splits as possible. Sadly there is a degree of acceptance. We demand and expect more from the more natural flexible kids, and make amends and adjustment with those that aren't (everyone however gets down).
With our young ones we put them between boxes so that they can hold themselves up vertical a lot easier, and also as coaches we constantly correct all kids, explain to them, show them and everything else inbetween. So far i have never come across a kid who has not understood what is required of them, however willingness to achieve does greatly differ between kids.
At 6 i think its important to start them aiming for squareness as this is a prime age to develop flexibility at, and it does make squareness a much easier task at that age.

One thing that we have found is that practicing square splits tends to have a negative effect on leaps, because they try and hit same position in leaps, which becomes really hard.we accommodate this by working all dynamic work with a turned out back leg, which compensates for this.
All and all i am in total favor (personally) to work on squareness from the start, but do have realistic expectations given the kids natural ability.

[lannamavity]

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Originally Posted by Valentin In our gym/program we start all kids from day 1 in competitive to aim to get to as square hip splits as possible. Sadly there is a degree of acceptance. We demand and expect more from the more natural flexible kids, and make amends and adjustment with those that aren't (everyone however gets down). With our young ones we put them between boxes so that they can hold themselves up vertical a lot easier, and also as coaches we constantly correct all kids, explain to them, show them and everything else inbetween. So far i have never come across a kid who has not understood what is required of them, however willingness to achieve does greatly differ between kids. At 6 i think its important to start them aiming for squareness as this is a prime age to develop flexibility at, and it does make squareness a much easier task at that age. One thing that we have found is that practicing square splits tends to have a negative effect on leaps, because they try and hit same position in leaps, which becomes really hard.we accommodate this by working all dynamic work with a turned out back leg, which compensates for this. All and all i am in total favor (personally) to work on squareness from the start, but do have realistic expectations given the kids natural ability.

I tend to agree about the leaps...it is a waste of time to over-emphasize "squareness" of a switch leap when, biomechanically, most athletes' back leg doesn't naturally swing that direction. The "turned out back leg" makes the leap look better, and can somewhat hide a lack of hip flexor/quad flexibility.

I don't think about the value of squared splits so much in leaps as in roundoffs and handsprings. A lot of kids are told to "turn later" in their roundoff (pass through vertical) or "reach forward" in their handspring...but the reason they turn (or stagger hand placement) has more to do with lack of square split during the kicking phase of the skill, which turns the hips sideways. This affects all tumbling.