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08-19-2007, 12:19 PM
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The new scoring system
Is anyone else still trying to figure out this new scoring system. I understand that they get two scores, one of difficulty and one for execution. Now, is there a maximum number of points they can recieve for execution--is that still out of a 10? I think, and please correct me if I'm wrong, that they get more points (kind of like bonus points) for the extra difficulty. Now, the required skills that they are to do (so many D's/E's, acro series, etc), is that considered under the execution part or the difficulty part of the score?
If anyone can explain the scoring system a little better that would be great! Thanks!
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08-19-2007, 12:27 PM
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Here is a link to explain the new scoring system:
http://www.usa-gymnastics.org/news/2...ing15mar06.htm
It is still very confusing and strange to see scores above a 10 during competition.
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08-19-2007, 02:26 PM
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Thank you!! This whole thing is confusing, and I think it made the sport even more challenging.
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08-19-2007, 06:21 PM
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Did you catch Nastia's bar score from the first night?? A whopping 7.1 difficulty, and then an 8.25 for execution b/c of the dismount. I like it because then one mistake doesn't cost you a title.
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08-19-2007, 06:33 PM
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On the otherhand, I hate it because a fall can still mean you win a title - is that really how gymnastics should be???
(I'm thinking a few examples:
*2006 worlds, Vanessa Ferrari AA - she fell on her tucked full on beam, yet still won the title over several people who hit all four routines (e.g. Bieger in 2nd, Dasha Joura in 5th), just because she had a higher difficulty?
*2006 Commonwealth games - Hollie Dykes counted four falls, one per apparatus in AA, and yet STILL won the bronze medal over Imogen Cairns, who hit all 4 apparatuses, yet still came 4th?)
Different events score differently as well...Top scores/the best scores are around low 16, but usually:
VT - high 15s
UB - 16.2 is the world record, I think...16 is HARD to get
BB - 16s
FX - high 15s.
Execution is a lot more penalising now, with very few 'B' (execution) scores over 9.0.
A score (difficulty) + B score --> total score.
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08-19-2007, 07:40 PM
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We have been using the new scoring system in Quebec for all our meets. My oldest DD has a difficulty of 3.7 and therefore scores out of 13.7. It gets easier and easier to understand as I see it in practice.
My littlest scores out of 13, a difficulty of 3. It is taking a lot of parents and gymnasts a while to figure it all out. But, as we say at the gym, the one with the highest score wins, no matter whether it's out of 10 or 15.
I guess you are all still using the 10, so the Elite scene is very confusing still. Perhaps USAG will bring in the FIG scoring at all meets, therefore making it all the more understandable.
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08-20-2007, 09:02 AM
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I can't decide yet whether or not I like the new scoring system.
On one hand, gymnasts are being rewarded for the difficulty that they do; where before someone could meet the basic requirments and still win because they had better execution than those with more difficulty.
However, now, gymnasts are doing more skills, and even if they fall they can win--which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Prior to the change, a gymnast's goal was to score a Perfect 10, now that isn't possible. I think the scoring system change was changed as a way of keeping up with the advances made in gymnastics (more difficult skills, etc).
USAG still uses the old system for Women's Artistic, however I think the Men are including the new system for some things---Refer to link in Audra's reply. I believe that everyone will eventually be using the new system.
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08-20-2007, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by bogwoppit
We have been using the new scoring system in Quebec for all our meets. My oldest DD has a difficulty of 3.7 and therefore scores out of 13.7. It gets easier and easier to understand as I see it in practice.
My littlest scores out of 13, a difficulty of 3. It is taking a lot of parents and gymnasts a while to figure it all out. But, as we say at the gym, the one with the highest score wins, no matter whether it's out of 10 or 15.
I guess you are all still using the 10, so the Elite scene is very confusing still. Perhaps USAG will bring in the FIG scoring at all meets, therefore making it all the more understandable.
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Wow . . . I sure hope USAG doesn't bring in the new scoring system of FIG. As a judge, the old one is adequate and enough I think. It's my opinion that this new system pretty much alienates everyone . . . even if you have a background in gymnastics it's very difficult to understand. The perfect 10 was something that spectators could relate to. I don't think the lay person will ever understand it much, and therefore, it's not as interesting or exciting to watch. I went to an elite level meet at WOGA and three quarters of the (paying) audience left WAY before the end of the meet. Not only is it less exciting, it's confusing to understand, and the judgments seem to take longer.
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08-21-2007, 11:00 AM
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08-21-2007, 12:37 PM
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I definitely miss waiting for someone to get a Perfect 10!!
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