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01-13-2008, 11:39 AM
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Deduction for?
I noticed, especially on floor, before and after saluting and starting their routinues, people walk on there toes or something fancy like that. Is that required/Do you get a deduction for not doing so? I'm assuming no because at all the meets I been to, I never seen anyone do so.
Also, for vault, do you get a deduction for saluting on the runway as opposed to saluting, then stepping on the runway and going? Again, I'm assuming no because I competed like that since forever and none of my coahces said anything about it.
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01-13-2008, 11:43 AM
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You do not get a deduction for either of these, however walking on in a 'posh manner' (as we describe to our little ones) looks professional and judges can take marks off for 'sureness of performance'. in other words the childs confidence, attitude and personality, walking on nicely and saluting professionaly is considered very important here as it makes for a well rounded and confident routine!
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01-13-2008, 12:18 PM
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Juni-- I think Lasswade is correct. I've never heard of a deduction per USAG for not walking out on floor "on your toes", but I agree with her it makes a much nicer presentation to the judges to look controlled and very confident as you get to your starting position. As for vault, my gymie does it the same way you do. She stands off the runway in a start pose(arms straight and slightly behind her) then once the head judge raises her hand, she steps onto the runway and salutes----then goes. I do notice on the 2nd vault, most girls tend to just stand on the runway and salute.
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01-13-2008, 03:54 PM
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As both people have said--there is no deduction, but it just looks nicer (in my opinion). I think it shows that the kids are more confident in themselves and their routines. I trybe to teach all of my little ones how to walk gracefully/"professionally", and it's really a shame we don't see it as much anymore (IMO).
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01-14-2008, 03:30 AM
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Even though we have a set judging criteria gymnastics is still a very subjective sport. A lot of deductions are based on a judges opinion, it should not be but it is. If a gymnasts walks of the floor nicely and salutes in the correct place then even before the routine has begun she is giving the impression that she is experienced, knows what she is doing, is confident and is there to impress. She goes into her routine with an advantage in the judges eyes.
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01-15-2008, 06:50 AM
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Along the same lines, is there a deduction for not saluting? My dd forgot to salute the judge on her 2nd vault on Friday. Just wondering.
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01-15-2008, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by nettyinpa
Along the same lines, is there a deduction for not saluting? My dd forgot to salute the judge on her 2nd vault on Friday. Just wondering.
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There is usually. At least there is in high school (and I'm pretty sure this is a standard deduction for most levels). I think it's around 0.5.
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01-15-2008, 01:58 PM
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The judges may let it go at a low level competition, or if your daughter is very young, but at higher levels/older ages they will be given 0, well thats how it works in Britain anyway
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01-15-2008, 02:22 PM
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My dd's coaches have always told her that if they don't salute the judges could give them a 0 - don't know if they ever really do that or not though.
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01-15-2008, 02:34 PM
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The USAG compulsory program text lists the following under Deductions Taken from the Average by Chief Judge: "Lack of presentation by gymnast before and/or after exercise: each time .10" It's on page 163.
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