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Reply With Quote^^^ It would depend on the size/power difference of the kids, but it sounds like you might have a lazy coach who can't be bothered to adjust equipment.
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Level 7 Vault questions
I was at my DDs meet this weekend and something caught my eye that I had never noticed before. When our girls were vaulting, almost all of them were hitting the vault table toward the front or middle. The other teams were hitting toward back of the table, so they were able to travel much further off the table than our team. Our girls' entry from the board to the table looked very similar to the other teams (i.e. body position, speed, distance from the spring board), however I noticed that the spring board was placed much further from the table for our girls than the other teams. I know the coaches set the equipment, so I'm wondering if there is a standard for how far the board should be placed from the table? My DD is a level 7 and there is quite a significant age and size difference between the smallest/youngest girls and the biggest/oldest ones (my DD is one of the oldest/biggest). The board is never moved for any of the gymnasts. All are expected to vault at the same setting. If the board were placed closer to the vault table, I am thinking our girls would hit the table a little higher and have a longer/more dynamic post flight. However, maybe my thinking or understanding is flawed.
Also, is there a standard for when a girl should hurdle in front of the spring board? My daughter doesn't have a problem with the coach's expectation, but some of the smaller girls have complained that they cannot hurdle the distance that is being requested. The coaches have a tape line on the vault runway where they expect the girls to hurdle and the line is the same for all of our team members (level 5 and up), regardless of size.
Thanks!
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This one is a pet peeve of mine. I like coaching vault. Basically the further from the table the board is, the slower the gymnast is moving when they hit the table thus they get less block. The way I see hand placement on the table would be, if you are hitting the front of the table, you plan on flipping (assuming the board and table settings are correct). If you are floating out to the far end of the table, you plan you just doing a front handspring and not getting as much turn over. I know this is a bit over simplified but that's a quick look at what I see on vault.
yikes! the closer the board means the sooner and faster they can get on within coordination parameters of the athlete. i still see coaches put the board at 2 or more (6 or more if your measuring from the back of the board). this is misguided and how they think vault works in their head is wrong. the faster and sooner you get on the better the vault. this requires the board to be close or as close as possible and withing the coordination abilities of the athlete.Originally Posted by kandkfunk
Bear with me .... I'm new at this......
So, at a meet, the coaches are allowed to set up where the springboard is in relation to the vault?!?!
We had our first meet last week, and our team (L3) did horribly at the vault. The spring board was so far away from the vault. The girls had never practiced it that far. In fact, one poor little girl missed the vault twice (slammed into the mats) because she couldn't get up! And this never happened in practice.
Do we practice too close? Or do you think our coaches (1st time coaches) had no idea that they could move it up?
yes, the coaches decide where to place the board. and the rest of your post i can't interpret. level 3's use a mat stack. the board is the board. and when you say "missed the vault twice" do you mean screwed up the skill she was performing or missed hitting the board altogether. try again. your new, but i'm literal.
Sorry.... I'll retry!....yes, the coaches decide where to place the board. and the rest of your post i can't interpret. level 3's use a mat stack. the board is the board. and when you say "missed the vault twice" do you mean screwed up the skill she was performing or missed hitting the board altogether. try again. your new, but i'm literal.
Yes...mat stack. So, she missed completing "the vault" because she couldn't get her body OVER the mat stack. She jumped off the springboard, but was so far away from the mat stack that she bounced off the side of the mat stack instead of being able to do the dive roll on top of it.
Does that make sense?
sounds like she slammed in to the mat stack cause she couldn't get her body up and over from the board. so yes, the board was more likely than not to far away from the mat stack.
Itwould be hard to believe that a coach wouldn't know that they could move theboard, unless they had never coached at a meet, competed themselves, or hecknever actually seen a competition. But what I would guess happened, it that thecoaches (if they are very new, perhaps coaching at their first competition)FORGOT to move the board after the team before them competed. If they are youngand inexperienced, at their first competition like your daughter, they werelikely very nervous, excited, worried, just like the girls, and got caught upin remembering so many of the other details that they forgot a big one, to movethe board. Not excusing them, they should have at least noticed after yourfirst team girl went, but they will learn.
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off to the side? If the board is too far away, she might have landed on the ground between the board and resi mat....?
