Coaches Vault coaching fail

[BarCoach]

What I discovered over the past two years coaching old level 4 was that scores were best with a high pre-flight and a tight body to fall. When we try to translate those vaults to the table it is resulting in vaults with no blocks. They are tight so they bounce off their hands a little but most are landing too close to handstand or even past handstand to get any real push. We've gotten the occasional 9.5-9.7 vaults this year but mostly can't break out of the 9.0-9.3 range. What can I do to change this? How long will it take? Move the board back? Put the table up? Their blocking drills all look good.

 

[Deleted member D3987]

need to see video.

 

[gymdog]

Have them do block block onto or up to something. Doesn't have to start on the table but move it there eventually.

 

[AmandaLynn]

My first instinct if they understand how to block and are unable to do so because they are coming on too high would be to raise the table.

 

[BarCoach]

We've tried blocking up to something over the trainer and they haven't been able to. We'll work it on a panel may more first. And I'll try raising the table. I'll ask a few of the parents tonight if I can post videos.
Thanks everyone.

 

[coach.e]

Put the level 3 vault mat directly behind the vault. Have them do dive rolls over the vault onto the rezi. By "over" I mean past. The rezi shouldn't be lower than the vault table. You can even put a sting mat on the table so they aren't scared. After they can pass this without touching the table, have them start block blocks. First hands on the vault, second on the rezi.
Starting with dive rolls will help with a good preflight and hopefully more run/power and the block blocks will help with a low enough angle to get some decent repulsion.

 

[BarCoach]

It helped a couple of them to put the table up. Unfortunately it didn't help the one girl I was hoping it would help most. And her mom said no videos online. Oh well. We'll just keep working.

 

[BarCoach]

Anyone have a good video of the double block drill over the table? They're not quite getting that one so I'd like to show them.

 

[Deleted member 14190]

What's the board on? Hurdle line on? How are the hurdles ? High? Low? Arm circle or swing ? If so where is it?

 

[BarCoach]

The board is at 1'6". Most arm circle but two swing as they hurdle. I don't have a hurdle line, we've just focused on nice fast, long steps on the run.

 

[BarCoach]

In general the hurdles are too high.

 

[iwannacoach]

In general the hurdles are too high.

Could be they're too close to the board when they plant that last foot before the hurdle, and they push back and up to give themselves enough time to set up for the punch. If their hurdles look long enough, ask them to "dip" and push forward into the hurdle, and be ready for their punch to be kinda weird until they get the timing for the punch figured out.

The block problems, from what you've said, seem to be from what happens before the block.......

Lower the table to the next setting downward and have them figure out how to get out of that mess. When they make the adjustment to the lower table setting it will probably come from moving faster to the table before they ride so high they can't get their hands on. Let them work a day or two past the point of figuring it out, and then do the first two thirds of the vault work at the lower setting and the last third at their " old normal" setting. Transition slowly to the point of having the entire session at the regular setting. Maybe a total of 6 to 10 vault sessions to go from beginning of the process to the point of full sessions at normal height. Do a review day every 6-8 sessions.

 

[BarCoach]

Iwc, I'm not sure I understand why I should lower the table. Just to work the hurdles?

 

[BarCoach]

Iwc, I'm not sure I understand why I should lower the table. Just to work the hurdles?
I can't change too much right now because we have States Sunday but after that we have plenty of time.

 

[iwannacoach]

It's two separate things. If they're high on their hurdles you have to work that first because the hurdle is going to affect everything. If their hurdles are low and thrusting into the board, but they still float the preflight you should lower the table to force them to lower their preflight. The idea is they are "comfortable" with the preflight as it is and will adjust their aim lower to get the preflight to what they are used to, but won't be able to reverse that adjustment when you first raise the table to the normal height, and during that initial return to the normal height they will use the new preflight whether they want to or not.

So you'll have kinda tricked them into coming on to the table a little lower. Not enough to cause a problem, but just enough to make them feel the change that you want them to make happen. That's why you'll have to start the following 5 or 6 vault session with the table low for 2/3 of the work and raise it for the last 1/3 of the work.

 

[Deleted member 14190]

Iwc, I'm not sure I understand why I should lower the table. Just to work the hurdles?
I can't change too much right now because we have States Sunday but after that we have plenty of time.

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There is only a few things I wouldn't do right before a meet. Obviously changing the stepping would be a big no, no,(unless you are just backing them up 2 or 3 inches) putting a hurdle line in would also not be advised before a big meet.
However, The table height can be adjusted anytime. (I move it up and down at meets for my kids, even between competition vaults, FRONT HANDSPRINGS ONLY). Also the hurdle height and arm swing can be adjusted at any time, body shape etc...

Speed, low hurdle, arm swing/circle reaching forward when leaving the board, will help the general population and fix most entries.

 

[Deleted member 14190]

Okay, not apples to apples, but an excellent example of what you end up with if you teach the FHS with optionals in mind. Notice the speed, acceleration, low hurdle, arm circle/swing and low entry. Just keep your eyes on her head while she is running down the runway and during the hurdle, notice she does not rise more than an inch or so in the hurdle. I use the low hurdle because it works for the masses, obviously there are some high level gymnasts out there that do a higher hurdle, but I find this technique works for more kids.
Meet Kendal,

Disclaimer, yes this is my gymnast yes I have permission.

 

[bogwoppit]

Wow, she nailed that. What was her score?

Her running power really is translated into the vault. Great to watch.

 

[Deleted member 14190]

9.7, (only starts at a 9.8) Doing a half next year, (I HOPE).

 

[bogwoppit]

I want to know what the 0.1 deduction was for. That was seriously clean.