can you help me find a video of a bail with a extra half turn?

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I was looking through videos the other night and came across either a L10 or an NCAA competition bar routine that had the gymnast do an overshoot/bail and in the transition from the top to the lower rail, she did an extra half twist so that she was facing the opposite way as a traditional overshoot. I believe she landed in HS but I am not positive. I thought I bookmarked it but apparently I didn't and now I can't find it. Because I don't know the name of the skill, I can't find it by just searching on you tube either. I tried combinations of bail, overshoot, full, half, twist but came up empty.

I just thought it was a cool skill that I have never seen before and wanted to show dd.
 
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coach molly, no - but that was cool!! does anyone do that skill currently?

The one I saw - the gymnast was facing the opposite way when completing the skill. So she came down between the bars, not on the "outside" of the low bar.
 

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JBS, it could be that, but I really think it was just a twist, not a pak (flip). I know I am not explaining this right. Sorry. just a parent...
 

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Coachmolly, that looks closer but it came from a HS swinging toward the low bar (as a regular pak or overshoot would)
 

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Here is another video of a full twisting pak. I've never seen it land in handstand...but I guess it could? @dunno would be the one to ask.

 

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OK, I just tried searching slow motion overshoot to see if I was really seeing an overshoot or a pak and found the video below. Look starting at 1:50. Is this a pak or is it an overshoot with full twist? I am not seeing the flipping of the pak but I may be getting confused by the twisting.

 
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looking back at JBS's original video, I think that's the same as the slow mo. So I guess maybe that is what I saw. The flip of the pak was just lost in the twist in my severely untrained eyes.
 

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Yes...that is a full twisting pak salto. [HASHTAG]#bhardwaj[/HASHTAG]
 

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I could be completely wrong but from your description I imagined this, is this what you mean?
 

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That looks like more of a straddle back type move rather than an overshoot. Pretty cool though. I hadn't seen a layout "straddle back". Let alone with a half. Very cool.
 

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Coach 1234, it was like that but coming from a back giant swinging/face the low bar. The more I thought about it, it must be a pak because there has to be a flip to end between the bars. Well, the one I saw ended at hs but would have been b/t the bars if not hs.
 
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i can't find it right now, but she is talking about a 1 1/2 twist between the bars. it was first done from a sole circle on the low bar and then the high bar and then later from a giant going in both directions.

the bail over low with full twist is called a "Strong".

the full twist Pak is of course a Bhardwaj.

and the barani between the bars from a reverse grip is called an Ahova (phonetic). Ezhova.
 
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the Burda. at 5:06. it was done facing out, in and on the low bar. it may take me more time to find it being done from a giant swing facing out and between the bars. it was last done in the 90's and i can't recall who it was at the moment.

 

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Coach 1234, it was like that but coming from a back giant swinging/face the low bar. The more I thought about it, it must be a pak because there has to be a flip to end between the bars. Well, the one I saw ended at hs but would have been b/t the bars if not hs.
Can you post a video of what the skill usually looks like without the extra half twist? When you say bail, I'm thinking
To me, a bail with an extra half would be a pak salto with a full twist. There's a lot of variation in the hight gymnasts get on their pak saltos so if a gymnast did a really high one with a full twist that probably could've been what you saw.
 

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what "Strong" did has never been done to a handstand. just fyi. :)
 

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What in the world are those Chelsea Otto skills at the end of the video dunno posted?!!!! Wow!
 

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the Otto 1 is a Tsuk or snap down somi with a full twist. these are typically done by gymnasts that can't learn a back or front dismount.

Otto 2 is a Gaylord caught in regular grip. the Gaylord (Mitch) was caught in reverse grip. it's an arabian over the top of the bar to catch. you could also call it a 1/2 Kovacs. :)
 
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