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Yes, I know but I want to see what the L4 or L5 routine look like with straight arms ALL THE WAY to cast......there is always an arm bend...
can anyone post one?
there should be NO bend at the elbows.
never? Only posting these because I have permission and I am to lazy to ask for permission from other parents...I can't recall ever seeing a kip cast handstand that had absolutely no arm bend while loading the cast. Like, ever. At any level.
And honestly, I think it would make more sense for there not to be a deduction, so long as it occurs during the cast-prep phase and the bar remains at the hips. The gymnast needs to get both the feet and shoulders in front of the bar, and for most gymnasts (especially those with long arms and short torsos), this simply isn't feasible. Not because of a lack of strength or technique, but simply because the geometry of the skill doesn't quite work with straight arms.
(I also think there should be no deduction for arching in a cast, but that's a different matter).
.3 deduction for every arm bend.
dd has had a straight arm kip to HS with no elbow bend (not even slight) since midway through L7. There are many examples on you tube as well. Just look up things like state/regional bar champion for any level 7 and up.I can't recall ever seeing a kip cast handstand that had absolutely no arm bend while loading the cast. Like, ever. At any level.
There may be a slight bend on the low bar of this one...but high bar looks pretty straight to me.
never? Only posting these because I have permission and I am to lazy to ask for permission from other parents...
But I have seen plenty of straight arms casts.
dd has had a straight arm kip to HS with no elbow bend (not even slight) since midway through L7. There are many examples on you tube as well. Just look up things like state/regional bar champion for any level 7 and up.
Geoffrey , if you do not see any arm bend in the 1st video then, it's okay to say so.
2nd video, 1st cast she is pirouetting on one arm which is completely locked out and her other arm is bent because it is coming off the bar turning, its an early shift pirouette..... During a kip cast the elbow itself rotates inward (towards the back) during the kip and outward a little from the kip compression to the cast handstand, which changes the view angle of the elbow during the cast.... During the second cast I see a slight elbow bend (left arm), hard to tell if it's really a bend or just the angle, but it's when she is almost in H stand, not during the compression phase that you speak of.
(I will beat her tomorrow for that. Now on the other hand look at the elbows in the toe shoots and stalders, totally bent,,,, I know I work with these two every day. get your arms straight, get your arms straight, get your arms straight.......... I seriously doubt either of these two got any deduction for bent arms during the casts.
I have several, but I don't post her videos on CB. dd has ubersense so you can see it in super slow motion. She has hyperextension of the elbows as she prepares for the cast and keeps this until HS. she uses a straddle cast if that makes a difference. She has a relatively short torso, long arms, long legs.Got a video?