The turn this thread has taken just has me shaking my head.
I apologize as I certainly had a role in hijacking this thread.
However, this is what happens in online forums like this all the time. Whether a gymnastics forum, or travel, or photography...any interest that is out there. It's the nature of the beast.
But that's the point...someone says something and it makes you think of one thing else. And then that makes another person think of something else and so on. It's almost like that kid game "telephone."