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Read the meeting minutes. It's not a secret society. Representatives from each state meet, propose ideas, and they get voted on. They meet again, propose adjustments, vote on them and repeat. As to why it's not adjusted yearly - these people have their own gyms to run.
They're running a regionals meet for three levels that can basically run from Friday to Sunday. USAG publishes limits to how many gymnasts per session based on level, and constraints around the length of sessions (as well as how late they're allowed to run). The allocation per level really just comes down to the ratio of girls at each of the levels. That gets revised every so often, and may need revising soon since level 6 is a new construct and there isn't historical data for its popularity (other than possibly looking at Xcel). While they could run multiple gyms (what you alluded to with venue size), that would double the capacity, and that's way too many.In my prior post I alluded to reading through all the minutes and I can clearly see where they proposed the numbers and they were sustained, just not how they got to them in the first place.
I'm not suggesting the Illuminati are behind regional numbers in a bid for Olympic domination, just curious on the rationale behind them such that the members even know that number is reasonable.
I promise I'm not trying to be difficult, just genuinely curious...
In 2015, NC had 143 Level 7 gymnasts score higher than 32AA at the state meet.
In 2015, SC had 85 Level 7 gymnasts score higher than 32AA at the state meet.
In 2015, FL had 309 Level 7 gymnasts score higher than 32AA at the state meet.
In 2015, GA had 207 Level 7 gymnasts score higher than 32AA at the state meet.
Ignoring the other states (no offense intended, I just got my number well above what's needed) that means that well over 744 gymnasts meet the 32AA minimum (likely closer to 900)... so why the 262?
Right- those numbers determine what number will go to regionals from states. For example we knew NC would take the 52 highest scores at Level 7 state meet this year. That number was released about a week before states.
That's why it is different each year and not known until right before regionals.
No, you have to go to state meet in order to qualify for Regionals. The top ___ scoring gymnasts(different for each level and state) go to our Regionals in L 6-8.So you could not go to states and still go to regionals ???? Or are those numbers prior to states determine how many from states go to regionals?
That's why it is different each year and not known until right before regionals.
not known until right before *state meet*. The girls who qualify for Regionals know it by the end of their state meet, though they have to wait until all the sessions are compete for that level to know for sure.
The number of spots are released a couple weeks before the state meet.
Gotcha! Phew!
And if they ever made regionals so big that 32s-35ish were going then it would be pretty meaningless so I prefer it stay the range it's in now don't you?
OK- I'm starting to see what you're getting at. If you're correct in predicting 37.3 as the cut off for 6 this year, then coincidentally that is exactly what is was for Level 7 last year. Just an FYI that doesn't really mean anything. Just a coincidence.For sure I don't think regionals should be the full width... otherwise we'd just call it State 2.0 I'm just looking at the idea that 52/169 L7 go making 36.775 the cutoff...
For L6 we are sending 22/~150ish a much tighter range for the same number of gymnasts. Looking at the Charleston Cup combined with Everest Classic... which I think is a decent (but still not full) representation of R8 that means a 37.350 would be the cutoff... While I think it would be great from a spectator standpoint... It could be demoralizing for some girls.
For example, with that cutoff and those two meets, only 5 of 171 Senior division girls would make the cut and Child division is only a little better, but the Juniors clean up - its fair and those are the rules... but it doesn't make the odds suck any less for the theoretical group that wouldn't make it. If you expand the numbers to allow 10 more bids (32/~150) the ages even out a lot more and high 36 is in. Now that sounds like a great competition that rewards the best without making it so exclusive...
it is the top however many slots regardless of age division. At the end of the state meet, the scores are listed highest to lowest and the top 8 become the state team. Then each state is awarded another set of slots (the all-stars) based on how many gymnasts they have in that level. Again, these slots are awarded based on that list of high to low scores. States like MS only get the 8 team slots because they have such small number of gymnasts competing at each level. FL has the largest amount of girls competing so they get a higher number of slots.I am so confused?! Can someone break down how exactly the regional qualifiers work? My gymnast is level 7 in GA. Do they take top scores in each age group? Or is it across the board? Who makes up the team qualifiers? And what is Allstars?
It will be the top scores across all age groups (and I can't remember how many that is for Georgia this year, but I know it's more than NC who is sending 52.) Of those, the top 8 are called your "State Team" and will compete in a seperate session against the other 7 state teams. All the other qualifying gymnasts are referred to as "All Stars" and will compete in other sessions in the normal age-group fashion.I am so confused?! Can someone break down how exactly the regional qualifiers work? My gymnast is level 7 in GA. Do they take top scores in each age group? Or is it across the board? Who makes up the team qualifiers? And what is Allstars?
Those meets don't matter regarding cut offs, scores at States do. And it's suppose to be more exclusive, it's Regionals.
I promise I'm not trying to be difficult, just genuinely curious...
In 2015, NC had 143 Level 7 gymnasts score higher than 32AA at the state meet.
In 2015, SC had 85 Level 7 gymnasts score higher than 32AA at the state meet.
In 2015, FL had 309 Level 7 gymnasts score higher than 32AA at the state meet.
In 2015, GA had 207 Level 7 gymnasts score higher than 32AA at the state meet.
Ignoring the other states (no offense intended, I just got my number well above what's needed) that means that well over 744 gymnasts meet the 32AA minimum (likely closer to 900)... so why the 262? Nothing on the site or in this document indicates why the seemingly arbitrary number of 262+ all ties is selected? Do they just take ~30%... if so great I have an answer, but nothing I can find officially documents how that number was picked.
Again, all regions don't have Regionals at all for L6, at least Region 6 doesn't as of yet.