Potential Changes CPP to JO

[bogwoppit]

And if the JO program is introduced I can see them creating a seperate program at some point to make it more fun for the older girls (that are P1) so they don't have to do compulsary routines.

THat is what our CR program does. Al optional routines and lots of skills options. Pus you can specialise and just compete the stuff you are good at.

 

[raenndrops]

And if the JO program is introduced I can see them creating a separate program at some point to make it more fun for the older girls (that are P1) so they don't have to do compulsory routines.

That would be like Xcel or IGC

 

[Fliptwisttumble]

That would be like Xcel or IGC

No, in Canada That would be GOJO. NO compulsory routines, even at the lower levels. Same skill requirements as JO, but not specified orders or music.

 

[hawaii_gymnast]

There is a meeting in my province this weekend, general WAG meeting but the switch with be discussed and I believe voted upon this weekend. More information to come.

 

[Fliptwisttumble]

There were people from the committee at our meet last weekend watching the girls compete JO...... One commented how easily the Quebec club in attendance was able to modify their routines to suit. They seemed to think it a positive change.

 

[1canadiangymmom]

Our club is CPP, and we just did an invitational in ON a few weeks back using the GOJO. Our girls that went were P2, 3, 4 and a CPN aspire. They all got pretty much killed on Bars and middle to low end on everything else. All of the girls that went usually medal on at least 1 event if not more for instance my DD took bronze and provincials on both floor and Vault. Our P2's competed L6, P3's L7 and P4's and CPN aspire L8. Not sure if our coaches were out to lunch on placement for this meet or what... Any thoughts?

 

[bogwoppit]

I probably would have put the P2's at L5, but the others are about right really. Perhaps they were missing some requited elements.

 

[1canadiangymmom]

yes the required elements especially for bars is way different. our P3 bar routine is Kip, Cast handstand, Sole circle, cast to squat on, jump to high bar, kip, Back hip circle, something, uprise, flyaway. or something like that, and the L7 girls were doing giants, clear hips, and some were even doing a 1/2 turn in their handstand. Yet on floor my DD had to take out her LO full to just do a LO?? It was a great meet, and the girls had fun, but they all felt a little inadequate I think.

 

[bogwoppit]

It is definitely a big coaching challenge to make routines fit into different systems. Canada would really do itself, and it gymnasts, a big favour by adopting the JO program across the country.

That P3 routine would have done fine at L6.

 

[Fliptwisttumble]

our P3 bar routine is Kip, Cast handstand, Sole circle, cast to squat on, jump to high bar, kip, Back hip circle, something, uprise, flyaway. or something like that, and the L7 girls were doing giants, clear hips, and some were even doing a 1/2 turn in their handstand.

Last year DD did L7 in Ontario, before it went GOJO. While an uprise was fine at that time, this year it wasn't sufficient, and the girls required a circling element (free hip, giant, etc.) All L7s in our gym this year did a giant as a minimum. The 1/2 turn in the handstand is standard here for L8, but could be changed out for a twisting flyaway as an alternative.

Yet on floor my DD had to take out her LO full to just do a LO??

This wasn't necessary. A LO fills the requirements, but our two CPN aspires both competed layout fulls as L7s last weekend. DD competed a layout 1/2 last year as a L7.

 

[1canadiangymmom]

Thanks for the insight, I am sure it was hard for the coaches, and it was a good experience. Let us know what happens at the meeting.

 

[hawaii_gymnast]

My thoughts are that if JO isn't adopted now, it will be in the not too distant future. I think that if we are going to switch to JO we fully switch, not to the modified GOJO program. I have heard from coaches ot was hard with GOJO because they were constantly changing things.
Anybody have any thoughts on what will happen to the national stream if we switch to full JO program. Will L10 take over National novice and open, obviously we will still need the High Performance stream, but would that switch to be called Elite like in the states? I believe CPN would stay as a developmental program.

 

[All Chalked Up]

Honestly the thought of switching to JO makes me cringe because I HATE the thought of complusories. It must be very mundane to watch and hear the same routines over & over with very little differentiation/flexibility of skills!

I think it would also be difficult for small gyms to switch over. Mine doesn't even know what's going on with CPP! A complete program change would be a disaster.

I do see its perks- it would be easier to travel out of country for meets and I think it would make it easier for Canadian athletes to be recruited for college but even so, I dislike the idea of compulsory and optional levels.

This may be lack of information but it seems to me the JO doesn't have as much flexibility for skills requirements (i.e. a circling skill going through or to handstand [CPP] vs. back giant [JO]). I'm not sure if the JO system includes bonuses which is something I love about CPP.

Also correct me if I'm wrong but JO is scored out of 10 rather than execution + degree of difficulty scores put together. I prefer this type of scoring because gymnasts are rewarded for performing more difficult routines.

Anyway off my soapbox!

 

[hawaii_gymnast]

Does the JO program do a better job at preparing kids for elite level competition? Is it due to the JO program that the USA is so successful internationally, or is it due to the coaching or just purely population wise or a combination there of?

And yes AllChalkedUp it will be a mess for lots of clubs, there will be a year or at least a couple meets that some clubs won't have a clue what is happening. And once JO was fully introduced it would make it easier to keep up, the routines and requirements stay the same for a long cycle, unlike CPP which is constantly having clarifications sent out and requirements changing.
If you want to help your club know what is going on, or even just for yourself, look into becoming a judge.

 

[1canadiangymmom]

How did the meeting go?

 

[hawaii_gymnast]

How did the meeting go?

Unfortunately I was unable to go, as was the other main coach from my gym. It was on the Saturday of the long weekend so I already had other plans (Backstreet Boys Concert, obviously more important!), I am waiting impatiently to get emailed the minutes of the meeting or to talk to a coaches from different gyms to see what is happening, hopefully on Sunday I will have more answers.

 

[hawaii_gymnast]

Looks like as of right now the plan is to stay CPP for the 2014/15 season and then make the switch to full JO.
Apparently Ontario suggested to just switch to full JO not modified as it was a nightmare with modifications needing to be constantly modified and things always changing.
This could take some getting used to.

 

[gymmomx2]

Full JO meaning compulsory/optionals? Or just aligning the skills but without the compulsory routines?

 

[Canadian_gym_mom]

Full JO meaning compulsory/optionals? Or just aligning the skills but without the compulsory routines?

In Ontario they went with no compulsories, just compulsory requirements in an optional routine.

 

[hawaii_gymnast]

Full JO meaning compulsory/optionals? Or just aligning the skills but without the compulsory routines?

From my understanding right now full JO as in exactly like the states right now, so compulsory routines included.