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This will save me from having this convo a few times every season - "your gymnast is missing a B", "but she has this, this...", "split leap is not a B, split jump is", "oh"The new code is (supposed) to start shipping out on May 1st. Some people have a sneak preview already; I have heard there are few changes outside of the big L6/L7 vault shakeup.
Two small changes I know about: split leap on beam is getting upgraded to a B & tour jete ring half on floor is getting upgraded to a D.
It is finally actually happening. Timers.What is the L6/7 vault change? I apparently don't pay much attention to anything.
Or maybe it's just that I have been hearing of changes to these vault levels for years and it hasn't ever happen.
Yes... should be a disaster ... last thing we need are judges rewarding the wrong things , like the FHS vault is currently rewarded...It is finally actually happening. Timers.
I waver between "it will be ok, it will work itself out" and "it will be a complete cluster****".Yes... should be a disaster ... last thing we need are judges rewarding the wrong things , like the FHS vault is currently rewarded...
I waver between "it will be ok, it will work itself out" and "it will be a complete cluster****".
So are we going to be landing on our back up high for these timers?
Completely agree. The reality is there are not enough coaches out there capable of prociently teaching higher level vault. Having the kids compete timers, while still being coached by someone not truly capable of teaching the timer and resulting vault correctly is not going to fix that.Timers... ha... definitely a huge disaster waiting to happen. First we fixed bad coaching by only having one vault attempt at L8... now we will fix bad coaching with timers that don't actually replicate the timing or rhythm of the vaults that they are timing. Yah... after they compete a year of un-timed timers they will definitely be ready to flip the vault.
I'm not as worried about the safety of them actually competing the timer vault as I am the false sense of security it may provide to coaches/gymnast/parents. That they will think the kids are ready to compete the next step because they have done timers for a couple years. Like JB said, a bad timer will only lead to bad (unsafe) vaults. Having kids compete timers does not teach coaches how to coach the vault.I'm terrified to see it in action. I don't want to know how many vaults I'm going to see where the gymnast ends up in the gap between the mat and the vault. Even worse would be landing on the mat and then falling into the gap. I predict the weakest vaulters will end up doing the tsuk timer (roundoff) because it will be the easiest of the three options. I don't know if they'll all have the same start value; I am guessing yes despite the fact that they shouldn't.
No, landing on the feet and the judging ends then with the exception of deductions for a step back on FHS or step forward on tsuk/yuri timer (note: I do not have all the deduction details, I just have a 1 page summary I saw). Gymnast may then roll out or a coach may touch them to stop movement/keep them from death. I believe timers to the back was the preferred option among professional members surveyed about the change (because that's how the timer should be done) but ruled out due to liability reasons.
The timer for the front handspring will turn into a front handspring onto the mat stack to the height of the table, as a prep for front handspring tuck etcIs the FHS vault still going to be allowed in 7 in addition to the timers, or will it have a lower start value? And timers are for Level 6 also?
I totally agree that a bad timer will not help anything and that there will be lots of bad timers, but I qualify that under reasons why I will still find judging L8 vault terrifying even with this change. This just adds a level of terrifying to L6/L7 vault. I wouldn't object if there wasn't the gap. I just predict seeing at least one injury a judging season from someone falling backwards into that gap or pinging off the front edge of the resi and falling awkwardly into the vault. I know the gap is there to allow room on the resi for a roll backwards from a more properly done vault, but yikes, unintended consequences.I'm not as worried about the safety of them actually competing the timer vault as I am the false sense of security it may provide to coaches/gymnast/parents. That they will think the kids are ready to compete the next step because they have done timers for a couple years. Like JB said, a bad timer will only lead to bad (unsafe) vaults. Having kids compete timers does not teach coaches how to coach the vault.
Have you seen enough details to know if missing the feet equals a zero?
What gap are you talking about?