Tonight I finally have what you guys call a kipper!!! Dd decided in January she would do it by her birthday (which is in 2 days time) and tonight we had 3 in a row she and I am beyond proud I honestly don't think I've ever seen her so happy with herself I don't know whether our recent gym change had anything to do with it or not but the fact that she is happy and living the new place speaks volumes for her this was the first skill that has really taken a long time for her to get I'm glad that she really can now understand that hard work does eventually pay off sorry for the proud parent post