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perfect execution and difficult skills being weighted and benefitting the athlete.
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[USER=20599]@John from L8 on difficult skills are taken into consideration. That’s not my opinion. It’s part of scores
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perfect execution and difficult skills being weighted and benefitting the athlete.
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[USER=20599]@John from L8 on difficult skills are taken into consideration. That’s not my opinion. It’s part of scores
Pretty sure some of these skills are not allowed at the levels you listed. Level 8s can only do 1 restricted C acro on beam, and you list 2; level 9 you list 2 Ds and an E for beam, and they can only do 1 restricted D/E acro; the restricted D/E goes for bars and floor as well and restricted C acros for level 8 are also limited to 1 per event. I think there may be a misunderstanding about the skills that are performed at level 9 there.
Personally, I wouldn’t have her score out of 8, as it’s a HUGE jump to 9 and 9 is crazy. We had a phenomenal gymnast who was on the state team for level 6 and 7; she scored out of 8 and struggled so much at 9 for most of the season. Level 9 is hard! I won’t sugarcoat it. My own dd was the alternate for Easterns her first year of 9 and still repeated 9. Wherever she goes, you want her to be safe and able to perform her skills safely and successfully.
I am so grateful that they don’t. It’s a long road to level ten, and some choose to go it different ways. They should not be penalized for this, if they are up to level. It’s what optionals are all about.@Deleted member 18037 opinions besides your own have validity in this world. My point is not about sloppy gymnastics versus well executed gymnastics but perfect execution and difficult skills being weighted and benefitting the athlete.
I am so grateful that they don’t. It’s a long road to level ten, and some choose to go it different ways. They should not be penalized for this, if they are up to level. It’s what optionals are all about.
Of course there are. But just because there is a kid competing with high scores, and even possibly repeating that level, does NOT always mean it's sandbagging. You cannot tell just by scores if that kid was ready to compete the next level or not, skill-wise. You can't tell by the scores of L6 whether or not a girl can do a giant for L7 (the gym may REQUIRE a giant), nor a connection or flight on beam. If a girl would have to scratch two events, that really is a pretty strong argument for repeating.
I don't think anyone is pretending it doesn't happen, just that you can't always tell for sure without knowing TRULY what's going on at that gym, and also with the girl.
What do you mean the Level 8 and Level 9 Vault is the same?
There isn't a single Level 8 vault that has a 10.0 SV at Level 9 (I just checked to be sure).
And would the gym have allowed her to move up to 8 AFTER seeing how well she was doing at 7? Because she would have had to score out of 7 anyways.
At our gym, if a girl does well enough and can compete the next level safely, they get the option to move up. I know some gyms won't let gymnasts move up mid-season, but some do.
Level 8 they yurchenko pike for 10.0 value and level 9 needs to be layout. So not a huge difference but is different.It won’t let me post the video
Level 8 they yurchenko pike for 10.0 value and level 9 needs to be layout. So not a huge difference but is different.
Level 8 they yurchenko pike for 10.0 value and level 9 needs to be layout. So not a huge difference but is different.
The pike starts at 9.7 in L9 and the layout starts at 10.0.
I am so happy that our gym is a combination of both philosophies. We have one girl that started competing L3 at the age of 6. She turned 7 toward the end of the season. She barely qualified for Y Nationals (32) that year. The next season, she competed Level 4. She qualified for Y Nationals again. When she was 8, she competed Level 5 because she had more of the L5 skills solid than some of the older girls we were moving up. Her dad told me at the first meet of the season that he thought she should have stayed Level 4 because she "wasn't ready" ... He said this 4 minutes before she finished her last event ... and was the only one on the L5 team to qualify for Y Nationals at the first meet. He had walked out before her score flashed. I went out and told him that she qualified and he was shocked. This past season, she competed Level 6. She has had her best scores to date and she will most likely be a Level 7 next year at 10 years old (may sound old to some, but that is the youngest we have ever had at L7 - our current L7s are both in high school).Seems to me, this all boils down to differences in philosophy, right? My daughter’s old gym seemed to pride themselves on their number of higher level gymnasts. As such, girls move up levels whenever they are “close enough”, even if it means lower start values. Scores there are kind of average. My daughter’s new gym is more focused on having all the necessary skills, done well, before moving up. Therefore, girls tend to move more slowly through levels, but our teams place very well for a gym our size. If you were gym-shopping, Gym 1 would sell you on the higher number of optional girls they have and at younger ages. Gym 2’s competitive advantage is the higher placements and scores.
I think the challenge is finding a gym with a philosophy that matches the mindset of the individual gymnast. Some girls are motivated by moving up levels - that’s their “bragging rights”, so to speak. On the flip side, some girls define success as winning - they want a shot at the top of the podium... they’ll be happier at Gym 2. Girls wired this way can have major mental struggles if pushed to move faster than they are comfortable - I’ve seen it happen, and watched talented girls regress or even walk away from the sport because of the stress. We need different types of gyms and different paths to suit different types of girls!
We also have gymnasts that have chosen to repeat levels (or stay at a single level all season even though they are given the chance to move up mid-season) to score and place better before moving on.
It is all about what works for the individual gymnast. This way, there is no need to switch gyms to get what the gymnast needs