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I hope you're right but I doubt it will happen.I'm glad the athletes are speaking out and that the news is paying attention. Hopefully the coach will be fired and a new era of gymnastics coaching can begin.
It's hard to say guys. Kids do see things different and having both sides of course would be nice. The high dropout rate is a concern , but Kentucky also has one so who knows. Just a thought but maybe some people just don't like living in Missouri as well? I Really don't know but hate to see an article that represents one side go mainstream . The whole side story about the gymnast being told her beam could be good and then never using her is moot. Sounds like he was trying to encourage her (be a coach). And she just didn't get it done. The money thing is an issue but again we really don't know the whole story on that either. At this point who knows and I would not steer my kids away from Missouri based on this article.
Sure but I like to get most of the facts first, or at least two sides. (Frankly I could call Shannon right now and ask him). Remember in college the list is exstensive of kids who are told they could compete and don't , so it's not even a point. the other things are issues but I would like to at least hear both sides prior to writing them off.Is there ever an instance where you give either parents or gymnasts the benefit of the doubt over a coach or team?
That would be my biggest concern , but again I would at least like I hear the full story . obviously if she just outright stole then that is a big no no . But (don't kill me here ) remember sometimes the law is black and white and often a grey area exists. In other words plenty of people have been convicted even though an agreement etc existed . Who knows rigjt now.I can't believe a gymnast convicted of stealing $700 from a teammate would ever be allowed back on a college gymnastics team. That would be enough for me to say no to a program and the coach who allowed it.
It's hard to say guys. Kids do see things different and having both sides of course would be nice. The high dropout rate is a concern , but Kentucky also has one so who knows. Just a thought but maybe some people just don't like living in Missouri as well? I Really don't know but hate to see an article that represents one side go mainstream . The whole side story about the gymnast being told her beam could be good and then never using her is moot. Sounds like he was trying to encourage her (be a coach). And she just didn't get it done. The money thing is an issue but again we really don't know the whole story on that either. At this point who knows and I would not steer my kids away from Missouri based on this article.
That would be my biggest concern , but again I would at least like I hear the full story . obviously if she just outright stole then that is a big no no . But (don't kill me here ) remember sometimes the law is black and white and often a grey area exists. In other words plenty of people have been convicted even though an agreement etc existed . Who knows rigjt now.
The contract outlined how many events Updike was going to compete in during the upcoming season.I agree there is a lot of grey area and I really wish it was easier to get real information about what it is really like inside these programs. We are just starting down the college recruiting path and I am lost and and honestly a bit scared. It does seem concerning that there seems to be a lot of disdain for this coach by his athletes, even ones who did well and competed.
I was curious and maybe I missed something but Updike said she left because she wouldn't "sign that contract" but then didn't mention anything about the contract. What kind of additional contract would he make her sign typically? Is that normal? Seems she thought it was worth it to leave rather than sign it.
I'm generally inclined to be forgiving, even for athletes on scholarship. Make a mistake, even a significant one that's a crime, and if you're regretful or repentant, then have another chance. Does it require the forgiveness of the team? Sure, but I'd be hopeful they'd be the kind of people that can undertake that level of behavior.It seems like her excellent gymnastic career helped keep her on the team, not the possibility that she didn't steal. And that bothers me more than the idea someone was kicked off for having a decent but not outstanding beam routine. Character should count more than athletic ability.
Actually, Missouri football was pretty good during 2013 and 2014. They've been awful since then. Basketball has been a different story and they have had major public failures up until now in getting a top flight (and clean) coach to run the program. They've made some poor choices with basketball over the past few years; however, they recently hired Cuonzo Martin, an East St. Louis native who left Cal-Berkely, to take over basketball so I expect some stability there going forward.Clearly there are problems within the program that are concerning, but part of me wonders how much of it is the coaches and how much is a result of problems/priorities in the athletic dept. as a whole. Mizzou is new to the SEC, and I imagine the athletic dept. feels an immense amount of pressure to "catch up" to their larger, more successful SEC counterparts. So it's very possible a "win at all costs" mentality has taken over from the top down. So is it the coach who is calling the shots here? Or is it the athletic dept who desperately wants to make a name for themselves?
The fact that, when asked about reasons for their dismissal, the coach could not give concrete reasons sort of makes me question whether or not that decision was actually coming from him or if he was following orders from a higher up. It's impossible to tell with the information provided.
The situation of the girl who stole is concerning, but again, was it the coach who made the final call? Or the athletic dept? I can't imagine an AD allowing a coach reinstate an athlete who committed a crime without his/her consent.
Lots of ways to look at it, lots of details missing. It will definitely be interesting to watch this unfold and see if we get any additional information from other parties involved.
Isn't not allowing an athlete to immediately compete for another school fairly common across all sports? The athletes transfer to a new school and must wait a year before competing?Actually, Missouri football was pretty good during 2013 and 2014. They've been awful since then. Basketball has been a different story and they have had major public failures up until now in getting a top flight (and clean) coach to run the program. They've made some poor choices with basketball over the past few years; however, they recently hired Cuonzo Martin, an East St. Louis native who left Cal-Berkely, to take over basketball so I expect some stability there going forward.
From the piece, I didn't like the full block on Updike's release to other schools; that came across as vindictive, but as I gather from reading here, it's pretty common behavior against transferring gymnasts.